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Old 10-17-2008, 01:37 PM   #1
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Hi
I'm asked this question many times, so I really should finally write it in a thread so I can refer inquiring members to it (instead of regularly typing it in PMs!)

I must stress that this is my OWN list.
Not in any books, and is a result of my own research. Question marks indicate more research needed.

IMO these are the ONLY existing authentic spangen

But please try to add to it, or discredit it


EK1..................

early style:
unmarked possibly Juncker
unmarked possibly Boerger (+screwback)
unmarked possibly Maybauer
unmarked 'intermediate' (+screwback) possibly Maybauer?

second style:
L/10? (only seen the box)
L/11 (+screwback) (+L/11 marked 800?) (+'no-viens' die?)
L/12? (+screwback)
L/13
L/15 (+screwback)
L/16
L/17 (same die as L/13)
L/18 ('no-viens' + 'long-viens' / 'short viens' dies)
L/53
L/56
unmarked unknown #1


EK2.....................

early style:
unmarked possibly Juncker ('fat vien'? + 'thin vien' dies)
unmarked possibly Boerger (swirly die, tail feather die, extra feather die, viened die. see:http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...8&postcount=86)
unmarked possibly Maybauer
unmarked 'intermediate' possibly Maybauer?

second style:

prinzen:
unmarked possibly Deumer
unmarked possibly S+L?
unmarked unknown #1
unmarked possibly L/15?

full size:
L/11
L/12? ('full vien' + 'half viened' dies)
L/13 ('segment claw' + 'smooth claw' dies) (+loops)
L/15 (2 different date dies)
L/16
L/17 (same die as L/13)
L/18 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
L/53 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
L/56 (same as 'segment claw' L/13?)(+'no-viens' L/56 mm'd die?)
L/57
unmarked Ziemer&Sohne (a.k.a: BigEye) ('no neck-vien' + 'neck-vien' die)
unmarked J.E. Hammer & Sohne (a.k.a: 55)

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Old 10-17-2008, 02:04 PM   #2
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This is a nice reference to have. Perhaps someone with administrative abilities on this website could make it into a "pinned" thread so all can easily find it?



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Hi
I'm asked this question many times, so I really should finally write it in a thread so I can refer inquiring members to it (instead of regularly typing it in PMs!)

I must stress that this is my OWN list.
Not in any books, and is a result of my own research. Question marks indicate more research needed.

IMO these are the ONLY existing authentic spangen

But please try to add to it, or discredit it


EK1..................

early style:
unmarked possibly Juncker
unmarked possibly Boerger (+screwback)
unmarked possibly Maybauer
unmarked 'intermediate' (+screwback)

second style:
L/10? (only seen the box)
L/11 (+screwback) (+L/11 marked 800?)
L/12 (+screwback)
L/13
L/15 (+screwback)
L/16
L/17 (same die as L/13)
L/18 ('no-viens' + 'long-viens' / 'short viens' dies)
L/56
unmarked unknown #1


EK2.....................

early style:
unmarked possibly Juncker
unmarked possibly Boerger
unmarked possibly Deumer
unmarked 'intermediate'

second style:

prinzen:
unmarked possibly Deumer
unmarked unknown #1
unmarked unknown #2

full size:
L/11
L/12? ('fat vien' + 'thin vien' dies)
L/13 ('segment claw' + 'smooth claw' dies) (+loops)
L/14?
L/15 (+ '2prong' die)
L/16
L/17 (same die as L/13)
L/18 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
L/53 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
L/56 (+'no-viens' die?)
L/57
unmarked Ziemer&Sohne (a.k.a: BigEye)
unmarked J.E. Hammer & Sohne (a.k.a: 55)

regards
jon
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Old 10-17-2008, 07:33 PM   #3
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Perhaps someone with administrative abilities on this website could make it into a "pinned" thread so all can easily find it?
I can but only dream of the Honor of The Pin...

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Old 10-17-2008, 11:10 PM   #4
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THANK YOU, jon!

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Old 10-18-2008, 12:47 AM   #5
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Hi Jon

Really great work

Now you start working on a book about the Spange...please

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Thank you for your work. This will really help those of us who collect the Spanges. Jim
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Old 10-16-2009, 01:16 PM   #7
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Hi, I used to just edit this post when minor additions were known
but the edit option doesn't work anymore, so I've 'replied' instead...
just to keep this post updated for reference


EK1..................

early style:
unmarked possibly Juncker
unmarked possibly Boerger (+screwback)
unmarked possibly Maybauer

unmarked 'intermediate' (+screwback) possibly Maybauer?

second style:
L/10? (only seen the box)
L/11 (+screwback) (+L/11 marked 800?) (+'no-viens' die?)
L/12 (+screwback)
L/13
L/15 (+screwback)
L/16
L/17 (same die as L/13)
L/18 ('no-viens' + 'long-viens' / 'short viens' dies)
L/54? (resembles L/53 EK2spangen?)
L/56
unmarked unknown #1


EK2.....................

early style:
unmarked possibly Juncker ('fat vien'? + 'thin vien' dies)
unmarked possibly Boerger (swirly die, tail feather die, extra feather die, viened die. see:http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...8&postcount=86)
unmarked possibly Maybauer
unmarked 'intermediate' possibly Maybauer?

second style:

prinzen:
unmarked possibly Deumer
unmarked possibly S+L?
unmarked unknown #1
unmarked possibly L/15?

full size:
L/11
L/12 ('full vien' + 'half viened' dies)
L/13 ('segment claw' + 'smooth claw' dies) (+loops)
L/15 (2 different date dies)
L/16
L/17 (same die as L/13)
L/18 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
L/53 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
L/56 (same as 'segment claw' L/13?)(+'no-viens' L/56 mm'd die?)
L/57
unmarked Ziemer&Sohne (a.k.a: BigEye) ('no neck-vien' + 'neck-vien' die)
unmarked J.E. Hammer & Sohne (a.k.a: 55)

unmarked L/52 Zimmerman (planchet recovered from Zimmerman 'burnt horde')

regards
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Old 03-03-2010, 01:15 PM   #8
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another update:

EK1..................

early style:
unmarked possibly Juncker
unmarked possibly Boerger (+screwback)
unmarked possibly Maybauer

unmarked 'intermediate' (+screwback) possibly Maybauer or Petz+Lorenz?

second style:
L/10? (only seen the box)
L/11 (+screwback) (+L/11 marked 800?) (+'no-viens' die)
L/12 (+screwback)
L/13
L/15 (+screwback)
L/16
L/17 (same die as L/13)
L/18 ('no-viens' + 'long-viens' / 'short viens' dies)
L/54? (resembles L/53 EK2spangen?)
L/56
unmarked unknown #1 (TheUnknownMaker) possibly L/57?
see: http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...n+Maker+Spange

EK1SpangenEK1 COMBOS:
early Juncker
intermediate?
L/11
L/16 (+screwback)
L/18 (and screwback)
L/52?
numerous Jeweller joined creations


EK2.....................

early style:
unmarked possibly Juncker ('fat vien'? + 'thin vien' dies)
unmarked possibly Boerger (swirly die, tail feather die, extra feather die, viened die.
see:http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...8&postcount=86)
unmarked possibly Maybauer
unmarked 'intermediate' possibly Maybauer?

second style:

prinzen:
unmarked possibly Deumer
unmarked possibly S+L?
unmarked unknown #1
unmarked possibly L/15?

full size:
L/11
L/12 ('full vien' + 'half viened' dies)
L/13 ('segment claw' + 'smooth claw' dies) (+loops)
L/15 (2 different date dies)
L/16
L/17 (same die as L/13)
L/18 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
L/53 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
L/56 (same as 'segment claw' L/13?)(+'no-viens' L/56 mm'd die?)
L/57
L/59? (only seen the box)
unmarked Ziemer&Sohne (a.k.a: BigEye) ('no neck-vien' + 'neck-vien' die)
unmarked J.E. Hammer & Sohne (a.k.a: 55)

unmarked L/52 Zimmerman (planchet recovered from Zimmerman 'burnt horde')

regards
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Old 03-03-2010, 01:24 PM   #9
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Awesome overview. Thanks for sharing this work!

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Old 03-03-2010, 07:21 PM   #10
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another update:

EK1..................

early style:
unmarked possibly Juncker
unmarked possibly Boerger (+screwback)
unmarked possibly Maybauer

unmarked 'intermediate' (+screwback) possibly Maybauer or Petz+Lorenz?

second style:
L/10? (only seen the box)
L/11 (+screwback) (+L/11 marked 800?) (+'no-viens' die)
L/12 (+screwback)
L/13
L/15 (+screwback)
L/16
L/17 (same die as L/13)
L/18 ('no-viens' + 'long-viens' / 'short viens' dies)
L/54? (resembles L/53 EK2spangen?)
L/56
unmarked unknown #1 (TheUnknownMaker) possibly L/57?
see: http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...n+Maker+Spange

EK1SpangenEK1 COMBOS:
early Juncker
intermediate?
L/11
L/16 (+screwback)
L/18 (and screwback)
L/52?
numerous Jeweller joined creations


EK2.....................

early style:
unmarked possibly Juncker ('fat vien'? + 'thin vien' dies)
unmarked possibly Boerger (swirly die, tail feather die, extra feather die, viened die.
see:http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...8&postcount=86)
unmarked possibly Maybauer
unmarked 'intermediate' possibly Maybauer?

second style:

prinzen:
unmarked possibly Deumer
unmarked possibly S+L?
unmarked unknown #1
unmarked possibly L/15?

full size:
L/11
L/12 ('full vien' + 'half viened' dies)
L/13 ('segment claw' + 'smooth claw' dies) (+loops)
L/15 (2 different date dies)
L/16
L/17 (same die as L/13)
L/18 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
L/53 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
L/56 (same as 'segment claw' L/13?)(+'no-viens' L/56 mm'd die)
L/57
L/59? (only seen the box)
unmarked Ziemer&Sohne (a.k.a: BigEye) ('no neck-vien' + 'neck-vien' die)
unmarked J.E. Hammer & Sohne (a.k.a: 55)

unmarked L/52 Zimmerman (planchet recovered from Zimmerman 'burnt horde')

regards
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Great information Jon!

I guess I never really realized until I read this post, no Spange were ever marked with the Prasidialkanzlei numbers...never really put 2 and 2 together on that. Very cool. Thanks for sharing!


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Old 03-03-2010, 09:33 PM   #12
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I can but only dream of the Honor of The Pin...
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Old 03-05-2010, 08:24 PM   #14
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pinned at last!

another update:
EK1..................

early style:
unmarked possibly Juncker
unmarked possibly Boerger (+screwback)
unmarked possibly Maybauer

unmarked 'intermediate' (+screwback) possibly Maybauer or Petz+Lorenz?

second style:
L/10? (only seen the box)
L/11 (+screwback) (+L/11 marked 800?) (+'no-viens' die)
L/12 (+screwback)
L/13
L/15 (+screwback)
L/16
L/17 (same die as L/13)
L/18 ('no-viens' + 'long-viens' / 'short viens' dies)
L/54? (resembles L/53 EK2spangen? so much so I believe this is from maker L/53. there is a pinback and screwback version)
L/56
unmarked unknown #1 (TheUnknownMaker) possibly L/57?
see: http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...n+Maker+Spange

EK1SpangenEK1 COMBOS:
early Juncker
intermediate?
L/11
L/16 (+screwback)
L/18 (and screwback)
L/52?
numerous Jeweller joined creations


EK2.....................

early style:
unmarked possibly Juncker ('fat vien'? + 'thin vien' dies)
unmarked possibly Boerger (swirly die, tail feather die, extra feather die, viened die.
see:http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...8&postcount=86)
unmarked possibly Maybauer
unmarked 'intermediate' possibly Maybauer?

second style:

prinzen:
unmarked possibly Deumer
unmarked possibly S+L?
unmarked unknown #1
unmarked possibly L/15?

full size:
L/11
L/12 ('full vien' + 'half viened' dies)
L/13 ('segment claw' + 'smooth claw' dies) (+loops)
L/15 (2 different date dies)
L/16
L/17 (same die as L/13)
L/18 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
L/53 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
L/56 (same as 'segment claw' L/13?)(+'no-viens' L/56 mm'd die)
L/57
L/59? (only seen the box)
unmarked Ziemer&Sohne (a.k.a: BigEye) ('no neck-vien' + 'neck-vien' die)
unmarked J.E. Hammer & Sohne (a.k.a: 55)

unmarked L/52 Zimmerman (planchet recovered from Zimmerman 'burnt horde')

regards
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another update:
EK1..................

early style:
unmarked possibly Juncker
unmarked possibly Boerger (+screwback)
unmarked possibly Maybauer

unmarked 'intermediate' (+screwback) possibly Maybauer or Petz+Lorenz?

second style:
L/10? (only seen the box)
L/11 (+screwback) (+L/11 marked 800?) (+'no-viens' die)
L/12 (+screwback)
L/13
L/15 (+screwback)
L/16
L/17 (same die as L/13)
L/18 ('no-viens' + 'long-viens' / 'short viens' dies)
L/52 (marked 900)
L/54? (resembles L/53 EK2spangen? so much so I believe this is from maker L/53. there is a pinback and screwback version)
L/56
unmarked unknown #1 (TheUnknownMaker) possibly L/57?
see: http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...n+Maker+Spange

EK1SpangenEK1 COMBOS:
early Juncker
intermediate?
L/11
L/16 (+screwback)
L/18 (and screwback)
numerous Jeweller joined creations, including examples put together (private commisions?) by L/12, L/52, and maybe more


EK2.....................

early style:
unmarked possibly Juncker ('fat vien'? + 'thin vien' dies)
unmarked possibly Boerger (swirly die, tail feather die, extra feather die, viened die.
see:http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...8&postcount=86)
unmarked possibly Maybauer
unmarked 'intermediate' possibly Maybauer?

second style:

prinzen:
unmarked possibly Deumer
unmarked possibly S+L?
unmarked unknown #1
unmarked possibly L/15?

full size:
L/11
L/12 ('full vien' + 'half viened' dies)
L/13 ('segment claw' + 'smooth claw' dies) (+loops)
L/15 (2 different date dies)
L/16
L/17 (same die as L/13)
L/18 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
L/53 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
L/56 (same as 'segment claw' L/13?)(+'no-viens' L/56 mm'd die)
L/57 (+marked 800)
L/59? (only seen the box)
unmarked Ziemer&Sohne (a.k.a: BigEye) ('no neck-vien' + 'neck-vien' die)
unmarked J.E. Hammer & Sohne (a.k.a: 55)
unmarked L/52 Zimmerman (planchet recovered from Zimmerman 'burnt horde')

regards
jon
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