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Old 08-22-2019, 01:58 AM   #1
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would have opinions on this buckle i bought from a german militaria dealer .
this buckles are scarce so would heavy faked and aged artificialy . dificult after
years to find out but i hoppe that advance collectors can help with my pictures i have . thanks for all opinions and info about this piece.
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Old 08-22-2019, 01:59 AM   #2
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Old 08-22-2019, 05:36 PM   #3
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This buckle will be judged bad by some because of that particular Mecklenburg-Strelitz roundel. However, it is important to note that there are perfectly original buckles brought back from WW1 with that roundel and the "3 dot" flaw. Here are a couple of images of an original.

Sadly what has happen post war is that someone bought the dies and stamped out some more roundels from this state and others. Usually the fake buckles the roundels are soldered on to, what the roundels are made from and the way they are soldered are the give away's of a bad one.

The one that started this thread has a real chance of being a good one and needs careful checking,

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Old 08-22-2019, 05:50 PM   #4
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Old 08-22-2019, 09:02 PM   #5
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I'm not worried about the 3-dot flaw on this buckle.

I've already told Raymond earlier about my concerns for the much thinner area on the rounded edge border of the disk in the area of the lower portion of the buckle, seen in the photo. That concerns me. Maybe no one else will be concerned about it. Maybe it's a die stamping problem, who knows.

I have only 2-Strelitz buckles in my collection. One is a private purchase M95 with a spring loaded brass tab on the back of it instead of the 2-claws with a roller pin. It has a frosted center wappen disk with the wider dot pattern on it. The other Strelitz buckle I have is an M15 steel example in beautiful condition, from the former Michael Baldwin collection. It also has the wider dot pattern on the center disk wappen.

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Old 08-23-2019, 05:57 AM   #6
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hi alan i got i today in hands and make some pics
in macro . now in hands it look better than in the
pics from dealer site . center rondel is not magnetic
patine is homogene and i think not artificial measures
48mm 62,4mm weight 52 gr.
look my pics and let me know what do you think
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pics are made in daylight sun no flash.
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last if moore needed ask me .
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Thanks for the excellent close-up images

This looks to be copper showing through the silver at this point on the roundel ?

It is my understanding that many of the post-war re-strikes were made of copper rather than the correct nickel-silver.

The roundel on the M-S buckle that I have shown in post number is made from nickel-silver showing wear, use, light dents and patina to the nickel,

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Here is a close up of that area on the roundel on the Mecklenburg-Strelitz buckle I have shown in post number 3 to show the difference and the nickel silver,

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The thing to look for is the clarity of the strike. Have a look at these two images to see what I mean. I have taken a close up of the buckle I have shown and compared it with your roundel in the lower image.

Look at all the background lines and lack of clarity on your roundel when compared to mine.

I assume this is a result of the dies being well worn when they were re-used post war,

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Here are four more close-ups of the roundel on the buckle that I have shown.

You can see that the detail is genuinely worn off and scratched on the top surfaces from wear. Also note the patina of the nickle-silver

Again look at the clarity of the detail and background on a (1914 dated leather tab thus early war) buckle when compared with your one stamped from copper.

These are these thing to look for on an original "3 dot" flaw type roundel .

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