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A kind opinion about these SS-Deutschland tabs
Old 03-17-2018, 05:32 AM   #1
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Default A kind opinion about these SS-Deutschland tabs

Hi to everyone....
I'd like to have a your kind opinion about these "SS-Deutschland" collar tabs....
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Old 03-17-2018, 05:33 AM   #2
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Old 03-17-2018, 06:07 AM   #3
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Hi Giorgio

I have been looking at these for a while now.
I've looked at a few other pairs for comparison just to make sure
If they were offered to me I would have to refuse
My reasons being . . .
These tabs appear completely new
Where have they been hiding for 80 years theres no age to them ?
The piping could also be a little tighter IMO perhaps turned a little more
Lastly I really don't like that buckram . . . Not something I'd expect to see on an early manufactured pair
Therefore personally leave well alone even though very well executed
Its a no from me . . . Sorry

PS do they smell ?
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Old 03-17-2018, 07:01 AM   #4
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Thanks for your opinion David....I really appreciate....
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Old 03-17-2018, 07:09 AM   #5
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These tabs are on the next Craig Gottlieb auction which he has just started....they do look too new from what i can see and agree with David on the condition for something which is reportedly pre war tabs...I wouldnt want them in my collection

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Old 03-17-2018, 08:09 AM   #6
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Yes, they are in nice condition but doesn't make them fake because they are looks new !
I seen a good tabs with different buckram
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Old 03-17-2018, 09:24 AM   #7
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Yes, they are in nice condition but doesn't make them fake because they are looks new !
I seen a good tabs with different buckram
No it doesn't but they are . . . I personally don't like that buckram
Are there any comments on the RZM Tag ?
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Old 03-17-2018, 09:32 AM   #8
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I saved this Tabs in my files with relation to collection Hritz. I think they where sold on E-stand during the last year or so.

Here are the old pics:
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File Type: jpg Sigrunen 1 Deutschland (2a).jpg (99.6 KB, 363 views)
File Type: jpg Sigrunen 1 Deutschland (2b) Bob Hritz.jpg (99.5 KB, 364 views)
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Old 03-17-2018, 11:06 AM   #9
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Can I ask if anyone is going to pass judgement on this pair of tabs ?
As I have already stated they would [possibly concern me if offered
But what about you how do you feel about them ?
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Old 03-17-2018, 11:15 AM   #10
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Ok....I asked opinions 'cause I've handled very few and I've a very few knowledge about ....but honestly I like them and I think they could have a chance...
(this does not mean that I will necessarly participate in the auction but I admit that I've been tempted....)
of course IMHO.....
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Old 03-17-2018, 11:19 AM   #11
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Well,
First, I like the tabs;
Second, I have some doubts if the piping is original to the tabs. Looks a little sloppy attached for early pre-war tabs;
Third, I would expect a cloth tag to these early tabs, not a paper one. But that's not conclusive;

All in all, for the right price I think I would want them in my collection....

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Old 03-17-2018, 06:00 PM   #12
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Thanks to everyone for your opinion about....
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Old 03-18-2018, 07:22 AM   #13
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I like them. Good tabs IMHO.




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Old 03-18-2018, 08:59 AM   #14
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My understanding, is that:
  • Paper RZM tags started to appear during 1938 to 1939.
  • At some point in 1940, the paper RZM paper tags changed from Sütterlin script to Latin script.
  • May 1940 Roman numeral and numbers were ordered removed.
  • August of 1940 the black and silver piping was discontinued and ordered removed.
So that could date this collar tab between and 1938 and 1940 and a paper tag is not unusual. As for condition, I have 800+ pieces of Imperial German cloth, and many are absolutely in "as new" condition. In a drawer or box, away from light, insignia can remain unaltered over 100 years later.
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Thanks to you as well J.M.C and Tony...
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