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Old 10-06-2019, 02:12 AM   #61
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In 1942 changes occur in the belts.

Payment groups I and II must adhere to this belt
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Paygroups III and IV in 1942
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The other categories (Assistants, Practitioners, Goalkeepers, etc.) would use a similar belt but with the buckle made of completely silver aluminum
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Old 10-06-2019, 02:18 AM   #64
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These guidelines are for Diplomatic personnel. All this is the same for government officials except for the belts for payment groups I, II and III that are exclusively for diplomats
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Old 10-06-2019, 02:20 AM   #65
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Therefore the difference in brocades was only that while the Diplomatic payment group 1 used the belt with the gold center, the Government payment group 1 used the type of belt shown of e-medals with thin golden lines on the lines black.
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Old 10-06-2019, 02:24 AM   #66
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But I repeat to you that this is not the object treated in this thread .... here we are dealing with whether the buckle with eagle facing right is only exclusive to the DLV or, as I see it was used by other organizations including diplomats and Government officials Keep in mind that the DLV dissolves in 1938 so it is very credible that its buckles would continue to be produced by the same manufacturer for the Diplomatic or Government personnel until in 1939-40 the regulations of the uniforms change (this is the Chris Sutter's theory that I share)
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Old 10-06-2019, 02:48 AM   #67
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I think we can stop here. My final comment, I'm not sure who is mixing the concepts.
The uniform regulation from 1939/40 describes the uniforms for government officials, not diplomats.
I have no information, that the "belt concept" of the diplomats was changed in 1942.
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The uniform regulation from 1939/40 describes the uniforms for government officials, not diplomats.
There was no regulation published only for Diplomats in that period. Diplomatic personnel used the same type of caps, pants, belts, coats, tunics, etc. except that the color of the uniforms varied and the diplomats had no silver edge on their neck.
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I have no information, that the "belt concept" of the diplomats was changed in 1942.
I already told you before ... there is an internal guideline of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs (Auswärtiges Amt) where they are perfectly described
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Old 10-06-2019, 04:21 AM   #70
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annex two Traduced:

Group I: Senior Service Officials. Subgroups I and II
Gold sleeve buttons and badges, gold-edged trousers, gold cap edges, eagle and oak leaf-capped crown embroidered in gold thread, 44mm wide spun lace belt with a golden centerline of approximately 14 mm wide and two black 5mm wide and an outer golden strip approximately 10mm wide. Black cloth inner bottom, Ø 45mm gold buckle showing a 1 cm wide laurel wreath. The light gray coat

Note: Group 2 officials: Ministerial Leader, I Class Envoy, I Class General Consul, I Class Cabinet Counselor should fasten a belt as described below.

Group I: Senior Service Officials. Subgroups III and IV

All the same except that the Eagle and Oak Leaves crown of the cap are embroidered in silver-colored aluminum and the belt is identical except that the outer edges are not gold but silver.

Group II: Officials of High Race. Subgroups I and II

Silver buttons and badges on the sleeve, silver-edged trousers, silver-colored cap edges, eagle and silver-leafed oak-capped crown of the cap, 44 mm wide pressed aluminum spun lace belt with central strip of approximately 15 mm wide aluminum, two 5 mm wide black strips and two external lines approximately 10 mm wide black. Inner lining of black cloth. Gold buckle like the previous ones. The light gray coat

Group III: Intermediate Service Officials.

Silver colored buttons, no badges on the sleeve, silver-edged trousers, silver-edged cap edges, eagle and silver-leaved oak-capped crown of the cap, 44mm pressed aluminum spun lace belt width with central strip of approximately 15 mm wide aluminum, two lines 5 mm wide black and two external lines approximately 10 mm wide black. Inner lining of black cloth. Silver aluminum buckle.

Group IV: Support Civil Personnel.

Silver buttons, no badges on the sleeves, black-edged trousers, black-edged cap, Silver-colored metal eagle, Silver-leaved oak-leafed oak crown, Black belt with silver belt buckle or with cam lock.
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Old 10-06-2019, 04:25 AM   #71
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As you said: Let's leave it there and stop with the issue of brocades ... we must focus on the issue at hand ... we have opened a thread to talk about the wheels of the car and finally we are discussing the engine of the same car
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Old 10-08-2019, 11:33 AM   #72
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Correction:

Thanks to the suggestion of the user "planet", I have reviewed the description of the belt for payment groups I and II of the internal order issued by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs in 1942, the belt should be as indicated in the image attached.
All the brocade has to give a belt of 44 mm wide, therefore it would be a golden central line of 14 mm + two black lines of 5mm each + two golden lines of 10mm each = 44mm.
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