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Old 01-06-2013, 11:27 AM   #16
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you are right with the Klaine Kampftasche. We only used it if we were in the field for a few hours and if we don´t ordered to use our complete kit. But the canteen was every time in the field. With change from kleine/große Kampftasche to the "Rucksack, klein" the große Kampftasche was stored in the duffle bag. I can´t remember any use after we got the Rucksack, klein.

And with use of the Rucksack, klein the kleine Kampftasche could´t be used comfortable, so we stored the canteen in a side pouch and the meat can (Essgeschirr) inside.

In Schusters book he stated right that the kleine Kampftasche had to be stored inside the große Kampftasche, but we never did that. Not once, because there were so less space inside the große Kampftasche even our squad and platoon leaders had to admit that this was not useful.

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Old 01-06-2013, 12:37 PM   #17
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DeWayne,

WAF member sgtmunroe furnished this picture a few years back.

It remains for me the best diagram of a BW loadout on the net.

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Old 01-06-2013, 12:44 PM   #18
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Here's a picture of a mannequin in a Heeresstruktur 2/HStru2 load out; circa 1959 - 1960.
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Old 01-06-2013, 12:48 PM   #19
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This mannequin is wearing an early 80's loadout for an Uzi equipped para.
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Old 01-06-2013, 12:50 PM   #20
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Finally we have an early 90's ensemble.
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Old 01-06-2013, 12:55 PM   #21
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I find the early to mid-eighties look my favorite and so I have clad my full size mannequin in this ensemble.


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Old 01-06-2013, 01:01 PM   #22
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Gentlemen,

Lots of useful information here. Especially from the guys who actually wore this gear in the field. I spent some time yesterday going through Schuster's book and comparing what he has to say, plus the pictures, and I think that I have something to add. Especially since redcatcher 1986 has asked how the field gear would actually have been worn during the 70s and 80s. Since he has now settled on mid to late 70s I think this would do the trick.
There has been lots of talk about the large bag and the small bag and that they were not worn together. This seems logical to me although they appear to have been designed to be worn that way. Here are some pictures of what the full kit would look like. The small bag is what Schuster calls the first type. He says that the plasticised straps did not hold up well in use and the small pack was modified and the straps were replaced with material the same as used on the other straps in the field gear.
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Old 01-06-2013, 01:05 PM   #23
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Closer views of the small pack and the field flask and how it was attached to the pack.
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Old 01-06-2013, 01:08 PM   #24
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A closer look at the large pack. As Jens says, dated in the 60s but worn through the 70s and into the 80s.
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Old 01-06-2013, 01:12 PM   #25
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Now, some pictures from the web showing the large pack in wear by itself and the small pack in wear by itself. There are doubtless many different ways different units wore this field gear. Only limited by your imagination. I am not suggesting that these photos are from any specific time frame. I've just used them to illustrate some different ways this field gear could be worn. The only things that would denote the time period that redcatcher1986 wants to display would be the gas mask, folding shovel and the field flask that he used. The field flask in my pictures should be the correct type.

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Gordon,

Great pictures of the small assault back and its wear with the belt and support straps.

Here's a diagram depicting a late 60's / early 70's load out from World Armies 1939 to the Present by Mollo et al.

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DeWayne,

WAF member sgtmunroe furnished this picture a few years back.

It remains for me the best diagram of a BW loadout on the net.

All the best,
TJ

Thanks TJ,

Thats exactly what I was hoping was floating around somewhere. It's good to have a visual to go with the descriptions that everyone is providing

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I think if I post some pictures of what I already have not only will it help in figuring out what time frame most of it belongs to, but also to determine what I have left to acquire and also help in identifying the already present equipment. Pictures will be provided shortly. Thanks Gentlemen.

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Here's some pictures of the uniform and equipment that I already have.























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Old 01-06-2013, 03:27 PM   #30
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A closer look at the large pack. As Jens says, dated in the 60s but worn through the 70s and into the 80s.
Gordon,
I think you're Small Pack is attached in a wrong way.
I learned that it would be worn on the Belt only and the Y-Strap had to be attached to a Aluminium Belt Clip.
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