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German Order of the NSDAP
Old 06-20-2019, 04:02 PM   #1
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This award is from a e-collectors site had this badge for sale, any opinions?
have it listed as:
Germany, NSDAP. A Rare German Order, III Class Badge, by Wilhelm Deumer
They want $22,000 U.S. for it.
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Old 06-20-2019, 04:04 PM   #2
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Old 06-20-2019, 04:15 PM   #3
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Old 06-20-2019, 05:06 PM   #4
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These would need provenance, which Barry apparently is missing.
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Old 06-21-2019, 01:18 PM   #5
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A very impressive piece, without doubt! Did Deumer produce these pieces without any maker-mark or other ID on each badge?

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Old 06-21-2019, 02:49 PM   #6
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well a rare piece for sure....?????
The necks on the birds seem to be a bit different .There are areas that don't line up .On the rear the main flat side dosent seem to be that flat. poss cast
The pin dosent match that as the one on weitz site (of course there is no proof all those are real ).
And WHY do these always get called a BLOODY Deaumer .
Godet was contracted to produce some of the BEST I will say it again BEST awards the TR ever saw.
So why RIGHT at the bitter end did they decide to give it to an inferior maker ?????????
to me its a very expensive fishing weight.Who is the seller ????
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Old 06-21-2019, 04:05 PM   #7
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I found this on e-medals. Can't believe they would put this out there. With the price of $22,000. I surely hope nobody buys this.
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Old 06-21-2019, 04:12 PM   #8
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As always, you raise some good questions, Pete. As for why Wilhelm Deumer was chosen over the Godet Brothers, I wonder whether the Godet factory in Berlin had been damaged or destroyed by the time this award was awarded to a jeweler, whereas Deumer was located in Lüdenscheid and was still functioning? The Deumer firm still exists today, though I am not aware of whether Godet survived the war.

Just a thought!

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Old 06-23-2019, 03:48 AM   #9
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Thanks BR James
That was food for thought.
I didn't realise that . So still raises the point why didn't they make a point of a maker mark or a silver mark as I think all other silver awards were,???
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Old 06-23-2019, 04:13 AM   #10
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IMO the only thing wrong with this piece is the price. $15k would be nearer the mark.

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Old 06-23-2019, 11:37 AM   #11
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"...why didn't they make a point of a maker mark or a silver mark...?"

Good comments, Pete. I was not aware that the German Order was produced in solid sliver and then fire-gilded, and I agree that a solid sliver badge should have been stamped with a silver content mark.

As for the selling price of this piece, the question must relate to origin, IMO. If the badge which began this thread is being offered by eMedals at US$22k was one of the eleven examples of this rarest of NSDAP awards -- and all of those eleven recipients were well-known historical characters -- then I would expect such a piece to be offered for even more than that amount...with solid provenance, of course. If this piece is one of the additional examples produced for future awarding by Hitler, but not so awarded by war's end, then that should also be expected to come with solid provenance. And if this piece is a post-war copy -- what is referred to as "a museum copy" -- then that should also be expressed, and should be reflected in a much lower pricetag. IMHO, of course!

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I was only assuming it would be made of silver due to the high end it is.
I jumped the gun there.My apologies.
What were these made from.
totally agree with you over the provenance.And honesty is the best policy imo
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Old 06-24-2019, 02:46 AM   #13
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Pete,

All grades of Deutsche Orden were produced by Deumer in tombak as can be seen by the verdigris on this cross. Some collectors believe such a high award would have been produced in hallmarked silver and indeed Souval did make his copies with a silver hallmark.

The Deumer company donated samples of several grades to the museum in Luedenscheid and they were all made of Tombak. Ample evidence also exists that Deumer was the maker of the awards.

Of course a couple of collectors have a much different opinion to me.

There is a very long thread pinned (3 Deutsche Orden in one lot) about these awards where probably everything that needs to be said on the subject has been said in 584 posts! Here's the link:http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=387456

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Old 06-24-2019, 06:35 AM   #14
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That is an original example- no problem with it.
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Old 06-24-2019, 06:43 PM   #15
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Well thanks guys .
That cleared a few issues up for me.
There I was thinking it would have been made from silver or gold something real special.
I must say I am surprised.
A very interesting award. One I am happy to say I could never afford .These bad boys carry a price tag with to many OOOOO for me .
Thanks for the info Stan I may drift back to this again and have another pop at it.
Always learning something new here fantastic.
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