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Portugal K98k - What can you tell me?
Old 01-14-2005, 02:49 PM   #1
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I'm on the lookout for a K98k and have been offered a Portugal K98k.

I don't know yet if it's a 1937 or a 1941. It is described as:

Matching numbers
Original - no conversion/refinishing
Includes matching numbers bayonet
Condition: As new including bore!!!
German Waffenamt stamps (it never reached Portugal, but stayed in Germany)


I don't know much about the Portugal export models. It is said that they have a very nice blueing/finish and that the sling is attached differently on the 1937. Also the sights are different (only on the 1937 I think?).

Please tell me whatever you know. Are they good? Cheap or expensive or normal prices compared to normal K98k's? Collectible or not collectible?

Please help
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Portuguese Contract 98k
Old 01-14-2005, 03:26 PM   #2
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I'm on the lookout for a K98k and have been offered a Portugal K98k.

I don't know yet if it's a 1937 or a 1941. It is described as:

Matching numbers
Original - no conversion/refinishing
Includes matching numbers bayonet
Condition: As new including bore!!!
German Waffenamt stamps (it never reached Portugal, but stayed in Germany)


I don't know much about the Portugal export models. It is said that they have a very nice blueing/finish and that the sling is attached differently on the 1937. Also the sights are different (only on the 1937 I think?).

Please tell me whatever you know. Are they good? Cheap or expensive or normal prices compared to normal K98k's? Collectible or not collectible?

Please help
Very nice weapons.. They are expensive here in the USA.. The Portugese Model are Model 937-A Short Rifle and the Model 41 Short Rifle Mod. 37 has sling swivels and the 41 sling attaches the same way as a 98k.. Will post the Port. contract for you soon.... BILL

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Old 01-16-2005, 01:45 PM   #3
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Very nice weapons.. They are expensive here in the USA.. The Portugese Model are Model 937-A Short Rifle and the Model 41 Short Rifle Mod. 37 has sling swivels and the 41 sling attaches the same way as a 98k.. Will post the Port. contract for you soon.... BILL
Bill's right, They can be a tad bit pricey but are of high quality and some in remarkable condition....Here's one that did NOT sell on auction arms...I believe it's only lacking the sling....Bodes

http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temnum=6334420
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Old 01-17-2005, 02:44 AM   #4
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Hello Jim, i would ask You, have You evidence how many were ordered in the first M1937 contract, to Your comparison about serial numbers of the M1941 contracts, i have dbase of bayonets that were matched to the rifles, the M41 contract run in 20000 bunches and from letter F to H, so i assume a 60000 pcs production. best regards,Andy from BCN
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Old 01-17-2005, 04:08 AM   #5
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Bill's right, They can be a tad bit pricey but are of high quality and some in remarkable condition....Here's one that did NOT sell on auction arms...I believe it's only lacking the sling....Bodes

http://www.auctionarms.com/search/di...temnum=6334420

OH BOY Is that the original unrestored condition on that rifle!!??? Look at the price I'll just go back to dreaming....
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Old 11-01-2005, 12:29 PM   #6
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Dear Gentlemen,

I have just discovered this thread and found it a pleasure to read. The reason being I have just found two matching 98k rifles with the Portugese crest in Linz, Austria.

I was interested to read not only more information here than is really available in BBOTW but also that these guns have turned up in Russia, and all over Europe. The only pictures I have are here and are of both these rifles. They were taken by the son of the man that had them in Austria. He died recently but the widow told the gun dealer I am buying them off that they have been in this collection for many years.

The strange thing is that why would these guns turn up in Austria if they went to Portugal ? I mean the 98k was until recently very easy to get hold of in Austria so I can't really see why anybody would specially import them. I know they turn up in Germany regularly on e-gun and at dealers but I always assumed they were re-imported from Portugal for collectors.


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Originally Posted by P08
I'm on the lookout for a K98k and have been offered a Portugal K98k.

I don't know yet if it's a 1937 or a 1941. It is described as:

Matching numbers
Original - no conversion/refinishing
Includes matching numbers bayonet
Condition: As new including bore!!!
German Waffenamt stamps (it never reached Portugal, but stayed in Germany)


I don't know much about the Portugal export models. It is said that they have a very nice blueing/finish and that the sling is attached differently on the 1937. Also the sights are different (only on the 1937 I think?).

Please tell me whatever you know. Are they good? Cheap or expensive or normal prices compared to normal K98k's? Collectible or not collectible?

Please help
Very nice weapons.. They are expensive here in the USA.. The Portugese Model are Model 937-A Short Rifle and the Model 41 Short Rifle Mod. 37 has sling swivels and the 41 sling attaches the same way as a 98k.. Will post the Port. contract for you soon.... BILL

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Old 01-14-2005, 03:50 PM   #9
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I second what Bill said. They are very nice, expensive and collectible.

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Old 01-14-2005, 04:05 PM   #10
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Very good thanks.


I just found out that it's a 1937. It has the different sling attachment and the different sights. It was confirmed. It is in PERFECT condition. It was never used, perhaps never even issued

It belongs to a collector in Germany who's getting rid of his collection. Asking price is 650 Euro. I guess that's fair considering the condition.

I wrote my contact, that I'm interested. Now we'll se what happens. My contact's friend already got 2 Springfield 1903 and an Enfield from this collector. All 3 were just as perfect as the K98k. Obviously the collector didn't shoot with his rifles
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That price is very cheap by USA standards. I recently saw a 1941 model in perfect condition sell for $4000.00 last year.

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Oh well.... Of course I shouldn't be that lucky. The seller refuses to mail the gun to me. (I just got my Mosin Nagant that way - no problems). Only pickup at his house...

So add 500 USD or perhaps more in transportation costs


4000 USD sounds amazing? Must have been special in some way.
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Contrary to popular belief all Portuguese Contract 98k's did in fact go to Portugal. I have had several over the years and they are quite beautiful. I can't imagine anybody paying 4k for one though! He must not have known that much about them!

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I'm on the lookout for a K98k and have been offered a Portugal K98k.

I don't know yet if it's a 1937 or a 1941. It is described as:

Matching numbers
Original - no conversion/refinishing
Includes matching numbers bayonet
Condition: As new including bore!!!
German Waffenamt stamps (it never reached Portugal, but stayed in Germany)


I don't know much about the Portugal export models. It is said that they have a very nice blueing/finish and that the sling is attached differently on the 1937. Also the sights are different (only on the 1937 I think?).

Please tell me whatever you know. Are they good? Cheap or expensive or normal prices compared to normal K98k's? Collectible or not collectible?

Please help
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I would have to say I agree with popular belief. Ex wehrmacht used Portuguese contract guns have been found in Norway where they were converted to 30/06 caliber in the 1950's. Numerous Portuguese contract guns have also been imported here in the last ten years as Russian capture guns. The contract happened to coincide with the build up for Barbarossa, and most certainly portions of this contract were diverted to the werhmacht to satisfy arms demands.
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The problem with that is alllll those rifle with 1937 chamber dates and waffenampts. Why would those get diverted? In Portugal in the museums you can see the 1937 and 1941 dated rifles on display. Why did those make it? So far there has been no evidence that I have seen of these rifles being diverted away from Portugal.. There is plenty to show that the Germans were very careful to meet their obligations to foreign powers however.

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I would have to say I agree with popular belief. Ex wehrmacht used Portuguese contract guns have been found in Norway where they were converted to 30/06 caliber in the 1950's. Numerous Portuguese contract guns have also been imported here in the last ten years as Russian capture guns. The contract happened to coincide with the build up for Barbarossa, and most certainly portions of this contract were diverted to the werhmacht to satisfy arms demands.
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