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Old 11-22-2011, 11:12 AM   #181
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Nigromontanus, I think this is clear.

The German manual H.Dv 256 of the "Reinigungsgerät 34" from 1936, indicates clearly that the "Hülsenkopfwischer" is only present in the "Reinigungsgerät 34", and not in the "Reinigunsgerät 34 für Kal. 5,6". This manual also shows this in their illustrations of both type of kits.

I assume this tool was present on every cleaning kit, except the cal .22 kits, that left the factory. Another thing is what happened with these tools at the front line, for example when the soldier was equiped with a MG or Mpi.

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Old 11-22-2011, 05:34 PM   #182
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Thank you very much. It is very fine that my approach of drawing conclusions from realia finds its truth by other methods too.
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Old 11-22-2011, 05:41 PM   #183
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Thank you very much. It is very fine that my approach of drawing conclusions from realia finds its truth by other methods too.
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Old 12-31-2011, 06:28 AM   #184
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Here is my contribution to this model "KY 1939", all the elements have the same markings.
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Old 03-26-2012, 04:35 PM   #185
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cy maker marked late war chain and also found this interesting, blue arr 4 dated kit with tan paint under one of the clips
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Old 03-26-2012, 04:42 PM   #186
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subtle variations in pull through's, last one for the .22 as shown before
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cleaning kit makers' complete list
Old 04-08-2012, 09:23 AM   #187
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With your help, I'd like to complete cleaning kit makers' list.
This is my list:

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Old 04-08-2012, 10:23 AM   #188
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With your help, I'd like to complete cleaning kit makers' list.
This is my list:

MUNDLOS: AKTIEN GESELLSCHAFT NACHMASCHINEN FABRIK MAGDEBURG AM NEKAR

MUNDLOS 1935 W aA 219
MUNDLOS 1936 W aA 219
MUNDLOS 1936 W aA 39
MUNDLOS 1937 W aA 439
MUNDLOS 1937 W aA 536
MUNDLOS 1938 W aA 243
MUNDLOS 1939 W aA 243
MUNDLOS 1940 W aA 243

ab 40 W aA 243
ab 41 WaA 243
ab 41 W aA WITHOUT
ab 42 WaA 243
ab 43 W aA 313
ab 43 TAN W aA 313
ab 44 WaA 313

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HAVIG: HAUSWIRTSCHAFTS MASCHINEN GESELLSCHAFT GmbH BERLIN

WITH LOGO WITHOUT DATE AND WaA
HAVIG WITHOUT WaA
HAVIG WITH LOGO WaA 94
HAVIG 1940 WaA 100
WITH LOGO 1940 WaA 100

HAVIG MARKED "MARINE"

cmr 41 WaA 14
cmr 42 WaA 14
cmr 43 WITHOUT WaA
cmr 44 WaA 14
cmr 45 WITHOUT WaA
cmr 45 WITH WaA ?

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GUSTAV APPEL: MASCHINEN FABRIK SPANDAU BERLIN

G. APPEL WITHOUT WaA
G. APPEL WaA 67
G. APPEL 1935 WaA 134
G. APPEL 1936 WaA 325
G. APPEL 1937 WITHOUT WaA
G. APPEL 1938 WaA 61
G. APPEL 1938 WaA 500
G. APPEL 1938 WITHOUT WaA

64 WaA 253
64 WaA20

cnx WaA 20
cnx WITHOUT WaA
CNX WaA 20
CNX WaA 253 ?

chd aw WaA ?

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Rbl 44 : unknown address

Rbl 44 WITHOUT WaA very rare
Rbl 44 TAN very very rare
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BRAUN SCHWEGISCHE BLECH WARENFABRIK GmbH:

KH 1935 WaA 109
KH 1936 WaA 265
KH 1936 WaA 225
KH 1937 WaA 442
KH 1938 WaA 225
KH 1938 WaA 442
KH 1939 WaA 442
KH 1940 WaA 57
KH 1941 WaA 57

KY 1936 WaA 439
KY 1936 WaA 265
KY 1937 WaA 439
KY 1937 WaA 442
KY 1938 WaA 442
KY 1939 WaA 442
KY 1940 WaA 57
KY 1940 WaA 225
KY 1941 WaA 57

SOME KY MARKED "MARINE"

arr 41 WaA 57
arr 42 WaA 57
arr 42 WaA 068
arr 42 WaA 392
arr 43 WITHOUT WaA
arr 43 WaA 57
arr 43 WaA 392
arr 43 WITHOUT WaA
arr 4 WaA 57
arr 4 WaA 392
arr 4 WITHOUT WaA
arr 4 TAN WaA 57
arr 4 TAN WaA 392
arr 4 TAN WITHOUT WaA

arr
4 WaA 392

arr
4 TAN WaA 392


RCO 44 WITHOUT WaA
RCO 44 TAN WITHOUT WaA
RCO 45 TAN WITHOUT WaA

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kit kkw (c22)
G. APPEL 1936 WaA 109
G. APPEL 1937 WaA 109
G. APPEL 1937 WITHOUT WaA
G. APPEL 1938 WaA 500
64 WaA 20

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ayw: AKTIEN MASCHINENFABRIK KIFFAUSERHUTTE

ayw WaA 225

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ftd: PETER SCHLESINGER METALLWAREN FABRIK

ftd WITHOUT WaA rare

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kit PZ B 39
64 WaA 20
cnx WaA 20

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Manu

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Old 04-18-2012, 02:21 PM   #189
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Hi,
This is my list (or better said, my dreamy list) of Rg34 markings/WaA. Of course, it's not definitive list !

KK kits not included.
In yellow IMO rare kits.
In red IMO extremely rare.

Gustav Appel:

G.Appel 1935 WaA134
G.Appel1936 WaA325
G.Appel 1937 WaA453
G.Appel 1937 WaA500
G.Appel 1937 Without WaA
G.Appel 1938 WaA500
G.Appel 1938 WaA67
G.Appel WaA 67
G.Appel without WaA
64 WaA20
cnx WaA20
(No code) WaA20
CNX WaA20
CNX without WaA


Mundlos:

Mundlos 1935 WaA219
Mundlos 1936 WaA219
Mundlos 1936 WaA439
Mundlos 1937 WaA439
Mundlos 1938 WaA243
Mundlos 1939 WaA243
Mundlos 1940 WaA243
ab40 WaA243
ab41 WaA243
ab42 WaA243
ab43 WaA313
ab44 WaA313
ab44 without WaA


Hawig:

Hawig without WaA
Hawig Logo WaA M (Navy)
Hawig Logo WaA94
Hawig Logo WaA100
cmr WaA14
cmr 41 WaA14
cmr 42 WaA14
cmr 43 WaA14
cmr 44 WaA14
cmr 45 without WaA


Peter Schlesinger:

ftd without WaA


IMO Aktien-Maschinenfabrik Kyffhäuserhütte:

KH 1935 WaA108
Ky 1936 WaA265
Ky 1937 WaA265
Ky 1937 WaA442
Ky 1938 WaA442
Ky 1939 WaA442
Ky 1939 WaA M (Navy)
Ky 1940 WaA57
Ky 1941 WaA57


Braunschweigische Blechwarenfabrik:

arr 41 WaA20
arr 41 WaA57
arr 41 WaA750
arr 42 WaA20
arr 42 WaA57
arr 42 WaA068
arr 42 WaA 392
arr 42 WaA750
arr 42 without WaA
arr 43 WaA20
arr 43 WaA57
arr 43 WaA392
arr 43 without WaA
arr 4 WaA20
arr 4 WaA57
arr 4 WaA392
arr 4 (two lines) WaA392
rco 44 without WaA
rco 45 without WaA

Unknow manufacturer:

rbl 44 Without WaA


Sandgelb/tan Rg34:

ab 41 WaA243 Sandgelb
ab 42 WaA243 Sandgelb

64 WaA20 Sandgelb
cnx WaA20 Sandgelb
arr 4 WaA 392 Tan
arr 4 (two lines) 392 Tan
rco 44 without WaA Tan
rco 45 without WaA Tan


Reinigungsgerät 34 Lg (Panzerbusche):

G.Appel WaA20
64 WaA 20
cnx WaA20

Best wishes,
Antoni

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Kit contents - all same manufacturer?
Old 06-11-2012, 09:07 AM   #190
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Fascinating thread guys, and GREAT photos
I have a question.....Did each manufacturer make and assemble a complete kit themselves and then send them off to the military depots...or were the kits assembled by the Quatermaster at the military depot from seperately received parts from different manufacturers?
What I am getting at is when a brand new cleaning kit was issued, did it contain every item from the same manufacturer - or did different manufacturers only make certain items?
Hope you understand what I mean!
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Old 06-11-2012, 05:16 PM   #191
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I would say the kits were put togrther by the maker that's on the container, wether they made all the components in the kit I don't know. I do have a few kits that have all the components maker marked, except for the brushes. It's possible the components were made by different manufacturers ( sub-contractors )and then stamped with the "makers mark".
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Old 06-11-2012, 05:52 PM   #192
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Thanks for reply Raymond
I think you may be right that a particular manufacturer may have 'bought in' the component parts of a kit from different makers and then stamped them with their own maker mark. Thinking about it, that would seem to be normal manufacturing process on very large orders (the same as is done nowadays).
Furthermore, each manufacturing facility had its own Waffenamt inspection department where the WaA stampings were applied, I guess much like the modern MILspecs.
I have today received a cleaning kit from Holland, bought at a militaria fair and I was very pleased indeed to see that the 'spoon' was of the early type with no 'stud' - I shall upload some photos soon.
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Old 06-12-2012, 10:17 AM   #193
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This was bought for me at a militaria fair in Holland. The tin is stamped 64 and WaA20.
The oiler is stamped GAPPEL 1935.
Pull-through chain is stamped WaA243 (which makes it a MUNDLOS AG) and on the other side to that is stamped a capitol 'M'
The 'spoon' has (and never did have) a K98 receiver release 'stud', and there are no stampings on it.
There are also 2 oily cloth patches in the bottom section of the container which still has an amount of original grease in it. There are still traces of the original oil in the oiler.
I am very pleased with this kit ever though the chain is perhaps not original to this kit.




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Old 06-12-2012, 12:15 PM   #194
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Ray, I think that your whole kit is a mix match of parts. The oiler and tool are very early but the can and chain are of later production. The correct can would also be marked G.Appel and 1935.

1935 G.Appel kit marked DRP Schw


1935 G.Appel kit marked DRP Bswg with early butterfly pull through chain.


1935 G.Appel marked tool without floorplate stud.

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Old 06-12-2012, 12:35 PM   #195
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Thanks for nice photos, Peter. I guess I should call mine a 'starter kit' and look around for some matching items to make a more 'focussed' kit.
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