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Old 10-03-2018, 10:54 PM   #1
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I just found an early U.S. Army advisor's green 4-pocket jacket. It has ARVN cloth jump wings, Ranger and SF rockers, and an SF patch on the sleeve. The jacket is dated 1963. The Captain's name over the right chest pocket is still on white name tape, not subdued, and the Captain's bars are yellow thread, not subdued.

Questions: About when did U.S. advisors start using subdued insignia? Is there any way to research the man who owned this with just the last name? About how much is it worth?
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Old 10-03-2018, 11:31 PM   #2
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Late 60's is when the color insignia was supposed to be replaced by subdued, but even that doesn't always hold true.
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Old 10-04-2018, 12:38 AM   #3
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Late 60's is when the color insignia was supposed to be replaced by subdued, but even that doesn't always hold true.
Yes, I agree as I saw some as late as 1970. Tom
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Old 10-04-2018, 01:02 AM   #4
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I recall reading the regs regarding the changeover while in VN.

Colored stuff was unauthorized as of about November of 69.
A directive was posted a year in advance.
During that time you saw a lot of mixed insignia.
Much of that depended on how close you served to the flagpole.

I went through basic at Ft Polk beginning November 66.
At clothing issue, the company ahead of mine got white name tags.
My company processed right behind them and we got green name tags.
They stopped issuing the white ones then, but guys who already had them still wore them.
Advisors were in the US Army just like everyone else. Same uniform regs applied.
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Old 10-04-2018, 01:25 AM   #5
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Is there any way to research the man who owned this with just the last name?
Possibly, depending on how common the name is. Start with the 1964 or 1965 Army Officer Register. Or just google the last name with his rank or Special Forces, etc.

About how much is it worth?
That depends on which model it is (exposed button?), condition, and if the insignia has been replaced. (Insignia was often replaced so that alone is not a red flag; there can be signs indicating recent or old application, which affects value.)

Identifying the veteran may affect value, too, depending on who he was and the nature of his career.

I'm sure everyone would enjoy seeing pictures.
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Old 10-05-2018, 08:33 AM   #6
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Old 10-05-2018, 12:08 PM   #8
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Cool jacket, but impossible to research with such a common name.
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Old 10-05-2018, 02:39 PM   #9
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Thanks you guys for posting the photos and helping me out with this jacket. I'm pretty sure it has been like this untouched for 50 years, I got it for almost nothing.

So what can you tell me about it? Roughly when would it have been worn? Am I right that it belonged to an SF Captain advising the ARVN? About how much is it worth?
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Could have been worn for many years in Vietnam, to put an exact date is impossible without you doing the research.

Not an adviser to the ARVN, just regular SF officer.
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Thanks Bob. Did most of them qualify for ARVN jump wings? How can I research Captain Martin? What is this jacket worth?
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Old 10-05-2018, 10:30 PM   #12
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Most SF guys were advisors out in the A Camps. There was a counterpart LLDB Team we advised whether they appreciated or cooperated with us or not. That was the original role of SF.

Other SF served with Mike Force, Projects or admin stuff at various levels in Group.

It is possible to research the name through some SF channels and available publications. No guarantee, but I will put it out. Got a first name?


ARVN wings-contentious subject. Not sure of the inclusive period, but 68-70 they were handed out including orders to everyone in Group who was Airborne qualified.
Many legs were attached to group in a support role. 98% never jumped anything over there though we got still jump pay. Not something to be proud of.

We also had to wear the LLDB patch as part of the uniform.
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My CO, Capt. A. Parker (former Special Forces) wore this type as late as 1970/71. Tom
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Thank you gentlemen! The usual question: What is it worth?
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Thank you gentlemen! The usual question: What is it worth?
Sorry, but I really have no idea of value. Tom
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