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Old 02-11-2012, 07:30 AM   #1
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Thought I'd show my latest addition.

Wehrpass of Karl-Heinz Meltzer a 74 victory Ace, missing in action around the border of Kharkov and Bogodukhov,
just after claiming his 74th victory.
Awarded the 'Deutsche Kreuz in Gold' posthumously.
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Old 02-11-2012, 07:31 AM   #2
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Old 02-11-2012, 07:33 AM   #3
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Hotshot Me 109 Pilot
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Old 02-11-2012, 07:51 AM   #4
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Very nice and a nice signature on Pages 22 & 23 of Friedrich Obleser - 120 Victories and winner of the Knights Cross, DKiG & Ehrenpokal.
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Old 02-11-2012, 08:58 AM   #5
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Very, very nice wehrpass
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Old 02-11-2012, 10:16 AM   #6
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Hoffstetter, that is a TOP DRAWER Luftwaffe Wehrpass, just ripe for a detailed research project, which can be supplemented by his claims submitted to the RLM.

Also, as hucks216 rightly said, nice signautes of RKT Fritz Oblesser add to this very nice piece.

Any chance of some more pages?

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Old 02-11-2012, 01:11 PM   #7
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Impressive.
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Old 02-11-2012, 01:35 PM   #8
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Very interesting.....is his Ehrenpokal mentioned in the Wehrpaß?

Unteroffizier Karlheinz Meltzer. Flugzeugführer
09.08.1943 Ehrenpokal

Unteroffizier Karlheinz Meltzer. 8./Jagdgeschwader 52
17.10.1943 Deutsches Kreuz in Gold

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Old 02-11-2012, 01:47 PM   #9
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Just in case you do not have this info:

14/8/1943
Bf 109G-6 W.Nr. 15696 "schwarze 2" (100%) 8./J.G. 52
Meltzer, Fw. Karl-Heinz (DK) MIA, cause unknown. Charkow-Süd/Charkow-Bogoduchow (F)

Meltzer, Karlheinz, Geburtsdatum: 23.02.1922, Geburtsort: Hamburg
Todes-/Vermisstendatum: 14.08.1943


I might have a photo of him in the Vermisstenbildliste.

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Old 02-11-2012, 07:23 PM   #10
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Hi Guys, the comments are much appreciated,
I don't think I'm gonna top this one none too soon.

Hucks and Richard, thanks yes a much added bonus to have such a famous signature as Obleser

Ian no the Ehrenpokal is not mentioned in the wehrpass , I guess
it was overlooked as it seems that he was awarded this just a few days before his death ?
Thanks also Ian for that extra information,
If you had that extra photo ("I might have a photo of him in the Vermisstenbildliste") that would be great.

Richard, I'll post a couple more pics a bit later,

Cheers
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Hi Greg,

Unfortunately he is not listed in the Vermisstenbildliste. That normally means his body was found before the 1950's and/or of course he is no longer classed as missing.

Additionally I would say his Ehrenpokal and Deutsches Kreuz were already in motion prior to his death. With 75 victories to his name he was close to a Ritterkreuz at that stage of the war!

Take Lt. Joahnnes Bunkez for example, same Gruppe different Staffel (7/JG 52). First victory 27.1.1943, shot down 11.12.1943 with at least 75 victories.

Leutnant Hans Bunzek. Flugzeugführer. 7./Jagdgeschwader 52
06.04.1944 Ritterkreuz (posthumous)
14.11.1943 Deutsches Kreuz in Gold
08.11.1943 Ehrenpokal
02.08.1943 EK I
14.07.1943 EK II

With references on the web, or with whatever info came with the group from who you bought it, hopefully you will be able to find out when he got his awards related to which victory.

A quick google brings up 35 victories: http://www.geraldcoulsonprints.com/a...p?PilotID=1413

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Very nice Wehrpas!!


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24.08.42 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 P-2 £ 44 212: at 1.800 m. 13.10 Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 448>>
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21.09.42 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 MiG-3 £ 44 524: at 1.300 m. 16.28 Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 557>>
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22.09.42 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 MiG-1 £ 44 592: at 1.200 m. 08.42 Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 563>>
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27.09.42 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 LaGG-3 £ 44 472: at 1.000 m. 15.00 Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 574>>
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28.09.42 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 LaGG-3 £ 44 393: at 1.500 m. 16.03 Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 583>>
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28.09.42 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 LaGG-3 £ 44 533: at 1.000 m. 16.05 Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 584>>
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29.09.42 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 Il-2 £ 44 561: at 200 m. 16.03 Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 589>>
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04.10.42 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 LaGG-3 £ 44 844 at 500 m. 15.05 Film C. 2035/I Anerk: Nr. 603>>
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12.10.42 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 I-16 Rata £ 44 662 at 1.500 m. 15.55 Film C. 2035/I Anerk: Nr. 608>>
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30.10.42 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 I-153 £ 33 723: at 1.000 m. 13.35 Film C. 2035/I Anerk: Nr. 620>>
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30.10.42 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 I-153 £ 33 723: at 1.000 m. 13.35 Film C. 2035/I Anerk: Nr. 620>>
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01.11.42 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 MiG-3 £ 44 814 at 1.200 m. 15.32 Film C. 2035/I Anerk: Nr. 644>>
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01.11.42 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 MiG-3 £ 44 872 at 200 m. 15.34 Film C. 2035/I Anerk: Nr. 645>>
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02.11.42 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 LaGG-3 £ 44 693 at 600 m. 12.03 Film C. 2035/I Anerk: Nr. 646 >>
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02.11.42 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 LaGG-3 £ 44 664 at 700 m. 12.07 Film C. 2035/I Anerk: Nr. 649 >>
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05.11.42 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 MiG-3 £ 44 852 at 600 m. 07.20 Film C. 2035/I Anerk: Nr. 651>>
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24.03.43 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 LaGG £ 85 373: at 3.000 m. 14.42 Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 684>>
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29.04.43 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 LaGG-3 £ 85 123: at 3.000 m. 10.57 Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 748>>
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30.04.43 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 Spitfire £ 85 144: at 5.000 m. 12.15 Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 761>>
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03.05.43 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 LaGG £ 85 144: at 4.000 m. 07.53 Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 769>>
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03.05.43 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 LaGG £ 85 311: tiefflug 07.57 Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 771>>
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07.05.43 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 LaGG £ 85 192: at 3.000 m. 07.15 Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 793>>
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18.05.43 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 LaGG £ 75 292: at 400 m. 16.37 Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 807>>
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22.05.43 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 LaGG £ 85 124: at 1.000 m. 17.25 Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 811>>
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26.05.43 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 LaGG £ 75 232: at 1.500 m. 11.12 Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 816>>
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28.05.43 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 Spitfire £ 76 894: at 2.000 m. 09.35 Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 830>>
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04.07.43 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 LaGG £ 61 193: 1.200 m. 15.13 Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 853>>
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05.07.43 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 LaGG £ 52 892 at 2.000 m. 05.27 Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 856>>
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05.07.43 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 LaGG £ 61 141 at 2.000 m. 08.01 Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 858>>
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05.07.43 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 LaGG £ 61 182 at 1.500 m. 12.06 Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 861>>
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05.07.43 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 Il-2 m.H. £ 61 451 at 20 m. 18.29 Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 865>>
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06.07.43 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 LaGG £ 61 152: at 400 m. 09.23 Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 868>>
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06.07.43 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 LaGG £ 61 151: at 800 m. 12.14 Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 870>>
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06.07.43 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 LaGG £ 61 142: at 1.000 m. 12.18 Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 871>>
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07.07.43 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 LaGG £ 61 161: at 3.000 m. 07.22 Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 872>>
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07.07.43 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 LaGG £ 61 162: at 2.000 m. 13.47 Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 874>>
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09.07.43 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 LaGG £ 62 841: at 3.000 m. 15.14 Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 877>>
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09.07.43 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 Il-2 m.H. £ 62 791: tiefstflug 15.20 Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 878>>
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11.07.43 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 LaGG £ 62 674: at 2.500 m. 09.58 Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 979>>
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12.07.43 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 Il-2 m.H. £ 61 171: tiefstflug 19.35 Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 880>>
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15.07.43 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 LaGG £ 64 524: at 2.000 m. 14.58 Film C. 2032/II Wartemappe>>
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17.07.43 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 LaGG £ 54 334: at 3.500 m. 04.17 Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 884>>
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18.07.43 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 Il-2 m.H. £ 54 684: at 500 m. 14.27 Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 887>>
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18.07.43 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 Il-2 m.H. £ 54 621: at 500 m. 14.31 Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 890>>
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28.07.43 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 LaGG £ 54 592: at 1.500 m. 05.58 Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 982>>
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28.07.43 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 LaGG £ 54 644: at 2.500 m. 15.08 Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 893>>
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31.07.43 Uffz. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 LaGG £ 64 542: at 1.000 m. 09.50 Film C. 2032/II Anerk: Nr. 895>>
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03.08.43 Fw. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 Il-2 m.H. £ 61 531 at 1.000 m. 08.47 Film C. 2035/I Anerk: Nr. 904>>
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03.08.43 Fw. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 LaGG £ 61 192 at 1.500 m. 12.45 Film C. 2035/I Anerk: Nr. 906>>
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03.08.43 Fw. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 Il-2 m.H. £ 61 193 at 200 m. 12.47 Film C. 2035/I Anerk: Nr. 907>>
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04.08.43 Fw. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 LaGG £ 61 333 at 2.500 m. 12.27 Film C. 2035/I Anerk: Nr. 912>>
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04.08.43 Fw. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 Il-2 m.H. £ 61 414 at 500 m. 12.32 Film C. 2035/I Anerk: Nr. 913>>
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05.08.43 Fw. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 LaGG £ 61 362 at 1.000 m. 06.38 Film C. 2035/I Anerk: Nr. 914>>
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05.08.43 Fw. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 LaGG £ 61 421 at 1.500 m. 09.44 Film C. 2035/I Anerk: Nr. 916>>
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08.08.43 Fw. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 LaGG £ 61 394 at 1.000 m. 10.06 Film C. 2035/I Anerk: Nr. 919>>
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08.08.43 Fw. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 LaGG £ 61 563 at 1.500 m. 14.50 Film C. 2035/I Anerk: Nr. 921>>
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09.08.43 Fw. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 P-2 £ 61 482: at 2.000 m. 04.31 Film C. 2035/I Anerk: Nr. 925>>
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09.08.43 Fw. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 Boston III £ 51 454: at 7.500 m. 05.10 Film C. 2035/I Anerk: Nr. 926>>
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09.08.43 Fw. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 LaGG £ 51 653: at 2.500 m. 06.47 Film C. 2035/I Anerk: Nr. 929>>
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12.08.43 Fw. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 LaGG £ 61 744: at 2.500 m. 07.01 Film C. 2035/I Anerk: Nr. 931>>
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12.08.43 Fw. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 LaGG £ 61 742: at 1.500 m. 12.55 Film C. 2035/I Anerk: Nr. 832>>
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14.08.43Fw. Karl-Heinz Meltzer 8./JG 52 P-2
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Old 02-12-2012, 06:41 PM   #14
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Ian,
Thanks for checking the Vermisstenbildliste anyway, that is appreciated,
and the comparison between Joahnnes Bunkez and Karl-Heinz Meltzer, most interesting as they seem to have very similar statistics and career.

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I'm sorry if this is a inapropriate question, I am new to the forum, but may I ask how it is you came to acquire this Ace's wehrpass?

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