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Old 04-28-2019, 01:09 AM   #16
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Of course you guys say "dont buy the story" but i am still leaning out of the Window and say: a totally uncleaned helmet from an attic with no other military items in it, with dust overall and identical old rust spots on shell and pin found by a household dissolver with absolutely no militaria background doesnt appear after decades with a perfectly aged Repro pin.
I can't fathom how the fact that the helmet was found in a box in an attic should convince me that this repro liner pin is original.

Here's a selection of some more liner pins that are typically found in WW1 helmets.

The squared off, flat ended versions shown here are typical of those found in the very first German steel helmets, namely Thale prototype square dips and the early Thale production models. .

1 Square Dip E.T. 66
2 Square Dip E.T. 62
3 Early production model E.T. 66 M16
4 Early production model E.T. 66 M16
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Old 04-28-2019, 01:22 AM   #17
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Here is a selection of liner pins in helmets with M17 liner bands

1 Si 66
2 E.T. 64
3 Si 66
4 B.F. 64
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Old 04-28-2019, 01:25 AM   #18
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1 M18 E.T. 64
2 M18 Q. 66
3 M18 ECO E.T. 64
4 M18 T.J. 68

Do you see a common feature in all of these variants that the rear liner pin in your helmet (and the repro pin I compared it to) doesn't share?
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Old 04-28-2019, 02:45 AM   #19
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Hagen, I think you've proved our point in your last round of pictures. The rear pins are exactly as those Hans and I posted... can you not see the difference from the pin being discussed? I could post 100 more pictures of the rear liner pin on 100 different helmets, but I don't think that would convince you one way or the other... you're stuck on the story. I will admit though, I was like that 40 years ago. It's only a liner pin my friend, and it fits very well with this helmet. Enjoy!

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Hagen, I think you've proved our point in your last round of pictures. The rear pins are exactly as those Hans and I posted... can you not see the difference from the pin being discussed? I could post 100 more pictures of the rear liner pin on 100 different helmets, but I don't think that would convince you one way or the other... you're stuck on the story. I will admit though, I was like that 40 years ago. It's only a liner pin my friend, and it fits very well with this helmet. Enjoy!

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I took my time this Sunday and inspected all my M16 and M17 helmets. To be honest there IS a difference to the rear pin of my actual M16. Once again its proved that experience is the key. I think both of you are right and i apologize for my hybris. Thanks for the help and the tutoring. This is why we all are here! The dinosaurs are doing a great Job here

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Stay in the woodwork Hagen, you're pulling out a lot of good helmets.

Hans, which one of those Square-Dips do you want to sell me?

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Stay in the woodwork Hagen, you're pulling out a lot of good helmets.



Hans, which one of those Square-Dips do you want to sell me?



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Thank you Chuck! I lost the battle but not the war! Just finished my weekend woodwork Tour. Will show you guys the results this week!
Keep up the good work!

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No battle my friend, a learning experience for all. This forum has gotten a lot smaller over the years, but we've always had each others backs no matter how hot it got.

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No battle my friend, a learning experience for all. This forum has gotten a lot smaller over the years, but we've always had each others backs no matter how hot it got.



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Hans, which one of those Square-Dips do you want to sell me?

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Yeah, about that...
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Old 04-28-2019, 10:41 PM   #27
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How do you even find these helmets on a regular basis? Do you have a network of helmet-seeking guys operating all over Germany? Just curious...

Anyway, cool lid as usual and very useful and detailed pics on German WW1 helmets liner pins. I'm sure many people will be checking this thread in the future for reference.

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How do you even find these helmets on a regular basis? Do you have a network of helmet-seeking guys operating all over Germany? Just curious...

Anyway, cool lid as usual and very useful and detailed pics on German WW1 helmets liner pins. I'm sure many people will be checking this thread in the future for reference.

Cheers,

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I am connected to a larger local house cleaning firm. They know that i am focussed on helmets and gas masks aswell and over the years they found some lovely treasures. From about 30 german ww1 helmets in my collection not even one came from a dealer/military fair. BUT you can see in this case that you are not entirely protected from purchasing molested items even though the probability of a failure is much lessened this way.
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You're too kind
I have been offered a M16 SI66. With my last experience i want to go for sure. Any opinions about this pin are highly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

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This is a lovely original helmet large size.Rear pin looks good to me,and its all showing honest age patina.
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