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Old 04-09-2019, 11:54 AM   #1
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Hello collectors,

Over the last 3 weeks, I have picked up two nearly identical L/14 marked silver wound badges.
The first one at a flea market, supposedly bought from a widow selling her husband’s collection. The other badge I bought at a military sale from a dealer who claimed an old collector was selling out of his doubles. I do not believe in stories, I look at the piece in hand, and therefore I remain quite critical in regards to the authenticity of these two pieces.

I have never seen a L/14 strike marked SWB for sale anywhere in my time as a collector, and now I have two. When something is too good to be true, it normally is. So I searched the web and found 10 to 15 discussions about these types of badges, but none of these reach a conclusion.

What do you think? Should I let them into my collection or into the bin?
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Old 04-09-2019, 11:56 AM   #2
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Detailed pictures of badge 1:
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Old 04-09-2019, 11:59 AM   #3
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More pictures of badge 1:
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Old 04-09-2019, 01:39 PM   #4
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Hello Ninja,

I know this L/14 mark from Tombak WB.
But the "L/14" is a little bit diferent.
Also this "soft" design is imo not good.

In summary, for me fakes.

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Old 04-09-2019, 02:12 PM   #5
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Hello Ernesto,

Thank you for your answer.
Yes the soft design could be an indicator of a cast.

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Old 04-14-2019, 09:39 AM   #6
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The original Orth/Hobacher WBs stamped below catch are from non ferrous materials and high quality and quite scarce to acquire.

Unfortunately yours doesn't meant this criteria therefore from me gets...
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Old 04-14-2019, 10:35 AM   #7
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Well then.

Not many opinions on the “soft detail L/14 marked silver wound badge”.
I have put together some threads on the badge.

First an interesting thread with a badge which has most of its paint/primer intact.

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ghlight=L%2F14

Could this be the reason for the soft details a bad paint that over time turned black. When removed, the weak tombak was damaged and lost some of the detail.

Here is a thread with a badge that is “probably heavily cleaned” and with correct hardware and marking.

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...4+soft+details

A thread with two badges to compare, one painted, one cleaned.

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ghlight=L%2F14

Look at the hardware on the painted one, the rivet on the hinge is not the same as the cleaned one.

And the last one, two of the prominent experts here on the forum say is original to the badge.

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ghlight=L%2F14

Based on this, I still remain skeptical but will keep the two badges for future investigation.

//Rasmus
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Old 04-16-2019, 01:19 PM   #8
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Hi,Here are some pics of a real L/14 Silver wound badge I have had for many years.Jay Parisi
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Old 04-17-2019, 02:35 AM   #9
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Hello Jay,

There is a lot of different L/14 badges out there.
You write that yours is real, so you are a non-believer of the soft design badge.

Your badge has a lot of details and looks great. I can't say if it is original or not, I simply don't know.

Rasmus.
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Old 04-17-2019, 08:01 AM   #10
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For starters comparing a bunt badge with a zincer is not quite the way to go IMO.

Rasmus you your self sit in a nice position if you ask me. Do a comparison chart of your two badges, measure the badges, their hardware and check if you can find any matching anomalies on your badges that could point towards cast fake. If you can also weigh them.

Personally i have never seen a cast fake with so crisp and clear shear marks on the rim.
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For starters comparing a bunt badge with a zincer is not quite the way to go IMO.
I concur.

Finally got some time to look closer at the two badge as Hans suggested.

The two badge have the same measurements. The weight differs with 1 gram, and there is no abnormalities between the two badges. They are identical except different wear and small damages.

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Personally i have never seen a cast fake with so crisp and clear shear marks on the rim
Of course the cut marks! I must have been blind, there is no way a cast will leave these.
These marks looks like cutting marks form a tool, IMO the soft detail badge is stamped out.

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Old 06-03-2019, 03:02 AM   #12
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