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View Poll Results: Which smock pattern best represents the FJ?
Green dual zipper step in (M36) 23 4.50%
Green step in (M38/40) 183 35.81%
Splinter step in (M40) 106 20.74%
Tan tropical step in (M41) 18 3.52%
Splinter button down (M42) 144 28.18%
Water pattern button down (M42) 37 7.24%
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Old 11-07-2009, 09:57 AM   #46
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The last few posts demonstrate the value of this poll. I want to capture what the international collecting community feel about this matter. I do believe alot of it comes down to where we live and the WWII stories (from veterans & historians) we were raised with.

So, please keep the data coming!

Remember, what best represents the FJs. The "classic" look as John stated. Not what your favorite smock is.
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Old 11-08-2009, 04:58 AM   #47
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Difficult question... I love ther 1940 period photo's but I do think best is to have a look after the wartime photo's taken on during the war, it shows that most (not all) units were equiped in late 43 en later re-equiped in 44 with the splinter B's from late 43 onwards. To do so the Splinter B model with buttons was therefor made in larger numbers as there were more Fsj Divisions from late 1943 till war ends supplied with the splinter B...
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Keep the polling data coming, folks!
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Old 11-21-2009, 06:19 PM   #49
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Greetings Hugh,

I disagree slightly with your comment about the M40s worn on Crete, and believe splinter versions were used on Crete in numbers equal to, and perhaps greater than, green smocks. At the time of Crete, splinter smocks were the improved pattern and cutting edge.

And Hugh, splinter smocks are predominately green, so "Green Devils" still applies. This term was widely used to describe the paras at Cassino where splinter smocks were in the majority. Like you, my honest opinion.
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Hi John

Interesting that you say that. I have checked the books that I have, quite a few but by far all of them, and it seems to me that the main elements in Kreta, Sturmregiment, FJR1 and FJR3 did all wear green smocks. There are quite a few pictures of splitter ones around by they seem to be mostly FJ Sanitäters.
The main recourses for my studies were the Peters book, the A.V. Room book and the Kreta book of Jean-Yves. The pictures that show the "Kreta Kämpfer" coming home do indeed show a lot of splitter smocks...I am sure the troops were re-equipped with new kit before the parades.

Since for me the battle of Kreta symbolizes the high tide of the Fallschirmjäger I do vote for the 1940 step in model.

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Old 11-22-2009, 10:15 AM   #50
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This one for me.





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This one for me.
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Excellent choice Glenn! An early M40 splinter, likely to be converted, in a later war setting.
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Glenn is thata a Pioneer FJ?From the dark collar tabs i guess...
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You can not see a parachute pioneer of the color of the collar tabs.
They wore yellow collar tabs.
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Old 12-09-2009, 07:02 AM   #54
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as has been stated here before, many old wwii era b@w films were not very sensitive to the color yellow, which often shows up looking darker. the collar tabs on that pic are prolly yellow. i think thats the reason for alot of the confusion about the color of fj pionier tabs.

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hallo!

I think that could be used an orthochromatic film... Used extensively throughout the WWII and after.

Is a film of decreased sensitivity, which can be processed with a red safelight. Using it, blue objects appear lighter and red ones darker because of increased blue sensitivity. For the same reason, sometime, could be seeing on period pics mans with a dark face, almost as coloured people.

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as has been stated here before, many old wwii era b@w films were not very sensitive to the color yellow, which often shows up looking darker. The collar tabs on that pic are prolly yellow. I think thats the reason for alot of the confusion about the color of fj pionier tabs.

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hallo!

I think that could be used an orthochromatic film... Used extensively throughout the WWII and after.

Is a film of decreased sensitivity, which can be processed with a red safelight. Using it, blue objects appear lighter and red ones darker because of increased blue sensitivity. For the same reason, sometime, could be seeing on period pics mans with a dark face, almost as coloured people.

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Exactly, Ortho film, which was explained here years ago. Just look at the Kreta title at the top of page 90 in Jean-Yves Green Devils. Does anyone seriously believe that title is embroidered in black or dark green?! Same goes for the collar tab in that photo. It IS yellow! And so are the tabs in all photos taken by the photographer of this entire series, pages 86 though 97.

ALL THE TABS ARE YELLOW! Listen to your Uncle!
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Exactly the way we say here!
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ok but how can it be yellow compared to the yellow parts of the fj smock?

i seen portraits with fj wearing the fj badges but the tabs were clearly red,could this one be red at all?
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ok but how can it be yellow compared to the yellow parts of the fj smock?

i seen portraits with fj wearing the fj badges but the tabs were clearly red,could this one be red at all?
No!

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http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ght=ortho+film
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