Officer Identification Request - Wehrmacht-Awards.com Militaria Forums

**Akira Takiguchi** · 07-07-2002, 11:37 AM

Hello, this is from a estate of a Hauptmann named Engelbrecht I acquired some time ago. It shows two officers --- the backside writing says that Oberst Schmidt and Hauptmann Engelbrecht. The question is, which Schmidt is he, what do you think?

Engelbrecht belonged to 233.Res.Pz.Div (Lt.-Oblt.). and many photographs were taken in Denmark, but he was transferred to Pz.Brig.102 in late Summer 1944 and fought in Poland.

Click the photo for a larger scan.

Whoever he is, this photo is a very good one with nicely decorated officers as well as late armored personell carriers with distinct camouflage, enjoy!

ORPO57 · 07-14-2002, 09:27 PM

This photo was taken at Warsaw during Uprising in august 44
Oberst Schmidt was cdt of a regiment which fight with
Korpsgruppe Von Dem Bach

**Akira Takiguchi** · 07-15-2002, 08:25 AM

Wonderful! Thank you! I would appreciate it if you tell me how you could tell it, from the face of the Oberst, or have you ever seen this photo before?

**Akira Takiguchi** · 07-21-2002, 11:32 AM

I have learned that the Schmidt you mentioned in your post is (probably) Oberst Willi Schmidt, Regimentskommandeur of 608.Sicherungs-Regiment.

He could be Obstlt. Willi Schmidt, AR150, DKiG on Mar 1942 (source: Patzwall/Scherzer).

There is a Willi Martin Schmitt (tt, not dt) in the list of Blutorden recipients on Nov 9, 1933 (source: Patzwall).

But no Willi Schmidt is listed in Fellgiebel.

As you can see he has RK, DKiG and Blutorden. He may be some other Schmidt, and now I doubt that he may not be even Schmidt (that is, the writing on the back is false).

Opinions appreciated!

**Akira Takiguchi** · 07-22-2002, 02:59 AM

Maybe I should rephrase the question. Engelbrecht's unit stationed in Sinding, Denmark during spring-summer of 1944. Members from Denmark/Poland... does the background scenery in the above photo looks familiar to you?

What about this one? (again, click the picture for a larger scan)

Claus T · 09-28-2002, 11:54 AM

Hello

The house in the background is not typical from Denmark.

**Akira Takiguchi** · 09-30-2002, 07:51 AM

Dear Claus, thanks for your observation!

Do you happen to live near Sinding? Or anyone? I will post some more pictures from Sinding period...

**Akira Takiguchi** · 12-11-2002, 03:46 AM

A reader (thanks!) suggested me that the building in the second photo has a code (MB73) that looks very much similar to those found in Lager Oerbke, Fallingbostel.

Anyone who lives close to Fallingbostel to confirm this?

Denis · 12-11-2002, 04:43 AM

Hi Akira
Your Schmidt would not be Obst. Schmidt-Ott ?
If we summarize what we know about this unID'd soldier :

RKträger
DKträger
BlutOrden träger
WWI vet as the IC2 clasp is present
PzKpfAbz. i.S. : he consequently belonged to a Panzer unit to earn this badge

I have no access to my listing of DK recipients and unable to check but at least, Gustav-Albrecht Schmidt Ott was enough old to be a WWI veteran (he was born on 20/06/1896) and he was also a member of a Panzer unit since he was awarded the KC as Obstlt. and C.O. of Panzer Regiment 6.
If somebody can check for the DK, it might be interesting...
Regards
Denis

bhholst · 12-11-2002, 12:06 PM

hello:
Maj. Gustav-Albrecht Schmidt-Ott was awarded the German Cross i. Gold with date of 16.Oct.1941, unit is given as I./Pz.Rgt.6. So apparently the Abteilungs Kommandeur I./Pz.Rgt. 6. It may be noteworthy that he was an early recipient of this award, instituted in Sep. 1941.
Bernhard H. Holst

Denis · 12-12-2002, 01:25 AM

Hi
Thanks Bernhard.
I don't think that a complete list of the recipients of the Blood Order exists. Checking that latter point would be the next step but it might be difficult.
Does somebody get the book of Christian Federl about Kc holders of the Panzertruppe ? A photo would be helpful.
Regards
Denis

**Akira Takiguchi** · 12-12-2002, 07:19 AM

Thanks Denis and Bernhard,

The division history book has a couple photos of his, it's actually better than that in Federl book. Herr Schmidt-Ott seems to be similar to my "Schmidt" (if he is), but I cannot say for sure.

In photo 80 (of the Divisionsgeschichte) he wears EKII-14+Spange, EKI-14+Spange and Panzerkampfabzeichen. But in photo 156 he wears RK and Ehrenblatt. This is kind of problem, I would expect that he would wear Ehrenblatt in my photo. The Patzwall Blutorden book does not list Schmidt-Ott, but as Denis say the list could be incomplete.

I would appreciate others' comments...

P.S. Great list of books, Denis!

Denis · 12-12-2002, 07:35 AM

Thanks Akira for the book list.
As yourself being also a book collector, I am sure that you will can add interesting updates. I am especially "weak" on Divisionnal Unit histories (most of tiem written in German)
Regards
Denis

**Akira Takiguchi** · 12-12-2002, 08:01 AM

Yes, but I also have to add more to the earlier thread ( http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...threadid=11127 ) too.

Some collectors wants to spend his money on militaria to the last penny... No books, no computers, no scanners (and no wife and children) ... It's OK, but it would be much fun if they also spend money on other things... To persuade some of them, photographs of inside might help... That's what I thought when I started that thread.

Well, here's one more pic of Gen. Fremerey and "Schmidt". Click for a larger picture.

jmlguy · 10-02-2003, 08:52 PM

I have obtained a Blutorden, silver 800, with serial number4433. It has the name Frederich Orth Wien engraved on rim. How can I ascertain it is real and not a copy? Thanking you in advance. Dorner