NOT good Panzer headset at E-stand - Wehrmacht-Awards.com Militaria Forums

me6_130 · 08-05-2012, 10:07 AM

I'm starting this thread to discuss the following item.:

Some days ago I saw this ad:

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=610839

Price seemed OK but when I started looking at the pics I realised they were not good. IMO the headband and rubber pads could be good but the earphones are not Panzer, or at least dfh.b as should be.

I contacted the seller because I thought perhaps he didn't know they were wrong. He was very thankful but when I went back to the ad, the headset had already been sold.

Carles

me6_130 · 08-05-2012, 10:08 AM

more pics:

me6_130 · 08-08-2012, 07:11 PM

I don't these are 100% good either:

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=612499

Carles

Hue · 08-19-2012, 01:27 PM

What is the complaint about this headset? It's stamped Dfh.b. after all. It doesn't have the maker code, true, and the leads are spring loaded (which seems a good idea), and i'd be tempted to guess it's just a variant from another producer.

me6_130 · 08-19-2012, 01:42 PM

Those that have a spring are no maker's improvement but dfh. a earphones, for field telephone sets not panzer ones. The dfh.b you can see is on the headband, I can imagine the earphone speakers are marked dfh.a not b. It is much cheaper to complete a panzer set with telephone speakers than to do it with the correct panzer ones.

Carles

Nick Komiya · 08-19-2012, 01:53 PM

see here for more http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...=371176&page=5

Hue · 08-19-2012, 03:33 PM

Well, i should have guessed that headphones would soon be faked. At least with the dealer's $679 upgraded non-Dfh.b., you get a valuable paragraph on how important radio communications was; i'm sure that text is a major part of the selling price.

Funksammler · 08-20-2012, 02:15 AM

The Dfh.a and Dfh.b (and Dfh.f for that matter) both have the same impedance and are all used with radio. They have small mechanical differences but functionally identical. The "b" earpiece has an extra leather sleeve for extra pull projection, but otherwise the earpiece is interchangeable. The "b" was a version for high ambient noise environments and is certainly not exclusive to tanks. They were also issued in radio cars for example, together with Dhf.a's.

When used in tanks, the cables would often snag, and I have seen more than one Dfh.b with damaged or replaced cables. At least some of these replacements were done as field repairs, it would have been a simple job for a funker to exchange the earpieces of a Dfh.b with those of a Dfh.a. When fitting a replacement cable the leather pull protection was often omitted.

I don't believe this is the work of fakers (fakers usually take care that things superficially look the same). These changes were done by people who valued working headphones over a textbook defective example and I believe at least some of these are period repairs.

regards,

Funksammler

Nick Komiya · 08-20-2012, 04:44 AM

Of course, that applies to militaria in general. Repairs and modifications did happen, but those that no longer retain the factory specs are not in original condition, and there is no knowing when or by whom changes had been made. So the majority of collectors need a text book description, so they can judge for themselves whether the deviation from the norm is within their comfort zone. I for one believe that there are a number of post war put together sets and that deviations do often mean a risk of deception.

me6_130 · 08-20-2012, 05:55 AM

The first headset might have been repaired or modified during the war, and are not 100% Panzer, but those in the second ad are a clear example of post war modification. You can see the cables and plugs are Czech kind, used on captured German tanks post war. They are no fakes but been repaired or maintained. Once again a seller ignores that fact or decided not to mention it, so are not 100% original, as stated. The rubber pads appear to be fake/repro, though.

Carles

me6_130 · 08-20-2012, 05:57 AM

Pics of the second ad:

Funksammler · 08-30-2012, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Funksammler

... it would have been a simple job for a funker to exchange the earpieces of a Dfh.b with those of a Dfh.a. When fitting a replacement cable the leather pull protection was often omitted....

The opposite happens too, here are some 45 dated Dfh.b's (leather and all) on a late war Dfh.a headband.... I had these for a while, just never noticed they were Dfh.b's...

regards,

Funksammler