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View Poll Results: Rare Book
The SS family celebration book 22 25.88%
SS kavalary book 13 15.29%
SS book in osten 7 8.24%
Damals 10 11.76%
SS familien-chronik 18 21.18%
SS Sippenbuch 15 17.65%
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Old 05-04-2012, 06:36 PM   #106
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i own two "Damals" books (including dust cover) in very good condition, bought in 2011 for around 200 to 220 Euros each.
If you google a rare SS book, you will find them on usmbooks, od43, and a few other websites, including some mad sellers from abebooks/zvab. The prices proposed are usually x2 up to x6 the "normal" prices you can find from other fellow collectors. The "Damals" book on usmbooks is listed for more than 2 years... (nota : the book is signed as a jullfest gift, adding a bit to the value).

The interest of the "Damals" book is the various pictures of non combattant rear units of the division (imo).

One of the rarest "pictural" books is imo "Sommer 43", also released by the "Totenkopf".
I can also think of "SS im Kampf", published by Nordland Verlag.

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Vince, I love your posts,pouring cold water on those who imagine vast profits off a all TR era publication's especially if it is SS.
-- you are constantly(well...in at least a few posts I read) bringing back reality to the TR era paper collecting community
I have collected TR era paper for about 12 years straight and you are 100 % correct.
Prospective sellers want to talk up the price (as is natural) and want to try and solidify the higher prices by those few insane over-priced sites , dealers and book sellers that are pricing such things way beyond the actual market.
It bears repeating: some over-priced items dont sell for a year to never selling at asking price.

Some here on WAF have lately been trying to raise the value by conflating "rare" with "higher prices."
Some of these things just dont sell at higher prices, and some(including SS) are not as rare as people want to make out they are.

Of course, there are exceptions!
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Old 05-04-2012, 07:26 PM   #107
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vince, i love your posts,pouring cold water on those who imagine vast profits off a all tr era publication's especially if it is ss.
-- you are constantly(well...in at least a few posts i read) bringing back reality to the tr era paper collecting community
i have collected tr era paper for about 12 years straight and you are 100 % correct.
Prospective sellers want to talk up the price (as is natural) and want to try and solidify the higher prices by those few insane over-priced sites , dealers and book sellers that are pricing such things way beyond the actual market.
It bears repeating: Some over-priced items dont sell for a year to never selling at asking price.

Some here on waf have lately been trying to raise the value by conflating "rare" with "higher prices."
some of these things just dont sell at higher prices, and some(including ss) are not as rare as people want to make out they are.

Of course, there are exceptions!
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Old 05-06-2012, 09:55 AM   #108
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Hi,

thanks for the nice comments. Well, i think this is also because Loic and I we don't have a lot of money

An important point : for now we are buying and buying, we are not used to sale back to friends or customers our extra copies. The fact is that i'm a music maniac, collecting up to +20 copies of CDs/LPs i like, so i'm doing the same for the historical documents i'm interested in, collecting up to 7 (!) copies of some SS-Leithefte...
I'm probably a fetichist in some kind of way, but this is also the only way to find variants of SS documents. This is also a good way to identifiate fakes.
I'm using this method of collecting for CDs and LPs for years, and i was able to identify dozen of variants. This is the same for SS documents (SS-Leithefte, propaganda booklets etc).

We are always trying to have the nicer prices, due to lack of money, and also we want to point out that many items are overpriced. And as two french collectors, we know that LVF and french SS items are even more expensive than german ones...

About the "Damals" books, one was bought on Hermann Historica, the other on... Ebay.fr ! Both have the dust cover in very good condition, far better than the usmbooks copy (but my books are not signed).

The Ebay copy wasn't selling for weeks (!), and i even had a small bargain. Of course you can always find it even cheaper on flea market if you are lucky.

Hermann Historica prices are sometimes ridiculous, but sometimes you can find excellent lots...
Best example is the HH Auction 61, with a few french Waffen-SS items : the final price was just unbelievable for "La SS t'appelle" (french "Dich Ruft Die SS" - "the SS is calling you"). I think more than 700 Euros for each (good) copy proposed.
I was lucky to find a mint (!) copy last Xmas (never saw this booklet is such excellent condition, even in books), and i must say that i paid it the right price (300 Euros). I could have bought it cheaper, but i know that some other collectors would have been ok to pay twice that price.
When you find a really uncommon book, you need to pay the price i think.
Loic found an amazing copy of "SS Kavalerie" (in very good condition, including a very nice dust cover), and he paid the same price.

Loic and I discovered a few months ago that many of the "rare" books are not that rare. Of course many were destroyed after the war, but this explaination has to be compared with the hundred of thousand of copies, and sometimes millions of copies published during the Third Reich.

If you are a fan of the Nordland Verlag books ("Sieg Der Waffen...", "Rede Zum Dom Quedlinburg", "Der Untermensch"...), we advise you to buy the essential book published by Uwe Berg Verlag : you will learn that each of those famous SS books were published up to 4 millions of copies, in more than 10 to 15 variants ! Since then we even found unlisted variant releases afterwards...

Der Nordland Verlag und seine Bücher.

http://uwebergverlag.de/product_info...i6mi9qbakk8ej7

(30 Euros with shipping).

http://www.uwebergverlag.de/

Uwe Berg Verlag are specialized in pre-Third Reich/Third Reich reprints, and their catalogue is amazing...Sometimes you just want to read german to be able to read all those books.

You will always find those millions-of-copies books with "ultra rare", "almost impossible to find" and other "real rarity" sentences on the various internet stores. This is sometimes hard to identify which variant is sold, because seller don't understand our question ("can you check pages 3 and 15 to see if there is a text of A. Hitler and what is the name of the printer ?").

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Old 05-06-2012, 10:27 AM   #109
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Thanks Vince....that was one of the more informative posts i have read on WAF. Do you have some leitheft photos of all covers to share and have you any familie chroniks ss?
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Old 05-09-2012, 05:16 PM   #110
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Vincent sum up perfectly the situation about the "rare" books.

We don't own the "Familien-Chronik" book for now but of course we are interested in finding one copy, even just to check its content ! I have personnaly never been able to handle one.

We'll discuss together if I can take at least take a picture of each Leitheften variants. That means every significant covers of every "Jahrgang" (10 in total).

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edit: I must add that WAF member and friend Luc already posted picture of the complete Leithefte 1941 "Jahrgang 7".
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Old 05-13-2012, 03:04 PM   #111
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Hi,

yes, we should make pictures of complete Jährgange of (at least) german Leithefte...
For the first years the way to identify some issue is the back cover, with drawings or symbols.
From the end of 6. Jahrgang up to 7. Jahrgang (the "golden years" of the SS-Leithefte ?), the front cover is usually a very nice drawing or a few symbols.
The 8. Jahrgang up to the middle of 9. Jahrgang is showing some symbolic drawings on a black cover. The last (10.) Jahrgang is the plain black cover.
I think that Loic and I will always have a small preference for the SS-Germanische Leithefte design ^_^

Alexander Autographs just sold a german variant of "Der Untermensch" (i think between 10 and 15 variants exist ?) for around +450 Euros ?

Hermann Historica had some "Gestaltung..." books recently, but it was far too expensive for us (the price of 15 Leithefte...). Near 700 up to 1000 Euros...

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Old 05-25-2012, 09:00 PM   #112
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Does any one know why some ss publications use a white embossed SS symbol (or in the case of the art book that emblem)? Most SS publicaticions outside of the black covered books (hard and soft back) have some sort of artwork on the front.
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Old 05-26-2012, 02:01 PM   #113
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Hi,

good question. It would be interesting to make a "SS symbol" visual topic, to see the variations amongst the years.

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Old 07-11-2012, 08:36 AM   #114
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My last found -no date inside about 1941-42
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Old 07-11-2012, 09:48 AM   #115
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dont know if this site is known already...found while surfing around today.

it shows the complete books online and is a nice source to have a look through some rare books like SS Leithefte, SS Angora Zucht etc. etc.

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http://www.scribd.com/collections/2966861/Bucher-NS-Zeit?page=1
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Old 07-11-2012, 12:44 PM   #116
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I'd like to share picture of this rare book called "Aufbruch - Briefe germanischer Kriegsfreiwilliger".
It was published by the SS-Hauptamt and the Reichsführer SS the 20th april 1942…
There are no pictures, only texts from european SS volunteers. Very interesting book.

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Old 07-11-2012, 02:09 PM   #117
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There was also a Dutch version.

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Old 07-11-2012, 02:16 PM   #118
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Hi,

Aufbruch was published in dutch, german, danish and norvegian...
I think that we are missing only the danish version with Loïc.
I'm not sure if french and estonian versions existed.

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Old 07-11-2012, 02:18 PM   #119
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Hello Andreas,

i think the link is known, but this is a good idea to provide it in this topic.

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Post 114 looks like Fritz Christian.
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