Hg m-43?

[Richard P]

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[Lenny W]

looks like a bad one

[90th Light]

Originally Posted by Gerard/Relic Hunter

Chris,
just please don't go ad neuseam crazy like in that other thread

Gerard, is this another failed attempt at a put down ???

naughty, naughty, naughty

Lets focus on the cap rather than the personalities. I am sure all those reading this thread will in fact find that a lot more interesting and it will probably gain more respect.

John has made a good point about the eagle. Is there anything you can add which would enlighten us more now that Richard has posted extra images ?

I look forward to your observations about the cap, Chris

[Brian Bonini]

Originally Posted by John Hodgin

The eagle is a known reproduction. Und so!

I did not know that, and I still didn't like it. The buttons look horribly repainted and should never be overlooked. They are often postwar castings on repros like these and can be the first 'tell'. Plus the buttonholes look rediculous on this one. I cannot over-emphasize the rarity of a true HG panzer M-43, gentlemen, so every stitch better sing to you before you reach for the checkbook. I agree with Gerard's assessment.

[Richard P]

Great...thanks for weighing in and it seems somewhat unanimous, I had a free opportunity to look at this one for as long as I wanted. Any good references on fake Luft eagles on the WA or otherwise?

Richard

[Lenny W]

Originally Posted by Richard P

Great...thanks for weighing in and it seems somewhat unanimous, I had a free opportunity to look at this one for as long as I wanted. Any good references on fake Luft eagles on the WA or otherwise?

Richard

i would suggest studying known originals and go from there same with caps

[90th Light]

Now please note, no argument from me on the points so far.

In fact quite the opposite and an interesting thread,

Chris

[Gerard/Relic Hunter]

Originally Posted by 90th Light

Gerard, is this another failed attempt at a put down ???

naughty, naughty, naughty

Lets focus on the cap rather than the personalities. I am sure all those reading this thread will in fact find that a lot more interesting and it will probably gain more respect.

John has made a good point about the eagle. Is there anything you can add which would enlighten us more now that Richard has posted extra images ?

I look forward to your observations about the cap, Chris

Not a put down, but a polite request. This is another obviously fake cap, there is no reason for 10+ pages on why it's fake. Like Lenny suggested, please look at originals first. It will clear up 80% of these obvious bad ones.
This particular style fake, is common, recent to within the last decade and well know. If you attend enough shows or scour the internet, you will see many like it. As I stated earlier- wrong material, wrong lining, wrong markings, wrong insignia, wrong soiling pattern, and now- wrong bias material. Also, I now see the really long pull down strap, common to so many fakes like this type. I hope it helps.

[Glenn McInnes]

Originally Posted by Gerard/Relic Hunter

There is no reason for 10+ pages on why it's fake.

This particular style fake, is common, recent to within the last decade and well know. If you attend enough shows or scour the internet, you will see many like it. As I stated earlier- wrong material, wrong lining, wrong markings, wrong insignia, wrong soiling pattern, and now- wrong bias material. Also, I now see the really long pull down strap, common to so many fakes like this type. I hope it helps.

I think you mean 10+ pages on why it just MIGHT be original (even though it is a fake)....

I agree on all of the above,they started appearing about 10-15 years ago,the bias material etc is post war stuff.. I have seen this used in many fake M43's. All made up by a fellow in Germany from what I understand,maybe 20 or so a year,different branches etc.



Glenn

[Richard P]

Excellent comments, definitely no defense of this one needed and Glenn stated it correctly as far as the other thread went. Many thanks,

Richard

[90th Light]

Please guys do not make me laugh

We now start to learn more about why you are judging this cap bad in one thread than in God nows how many other threads about these M43's

Athough Gerard's ramble does still leave a bit to be desired it is getting there.

May be I have banged on for 10+ pages and may be I am right and may be I am wrong but this is what people reading these threads want to know. They want to know more and they want to know why or why not. They want detail not superiority.

Of course you will counter this by saying, "we do not want to tell the fakers too much" or may be you just do not know but like to appear that you do. On the other hand, you simply do not want to share. Who knows, one liners can be very convenient at times for a range of reasons.

Like all things in this world today, things will evolve and go through a process of continuing product development. If we do not allow this to happen on the forum the hobby will die within a generation. Many young people today are not as interested in the war as we were and if we make the collecting of this stuff too hard or too secret then they will not take the risk at todays prices.

What is now needed is a reference to the characteristics of each cap maker, RB number or unmarked manufacturers. We need to get as sophisticated as the badge collectors have become in identifying what the real deals should look like and the footprints which spell it out.

Telling me to handle more originals or go to more show's will work to only a certain level but if one can not understand the finer points esp.as the fakes get better then really ???????

No we are fast reaching a point were we need more and if you guys do not want to develop this way then may be you could all start writing in Latin to one another as historic way of keeping a grip on power but please do not condemn me for trying to ask why in detail and pushing a process of enlightenment for all.

I have already stated that there is no argument from me on the cap which started this thread but it is interesting that on my previous 10+ pages of debate about the Carl Halfar Panzer M43, you could not come up with half the reasons you have come up with here which I could not counter.

At the end of the day there are original caps which are being classified as fake when in fact they are not but this one does not appear to such a cap.

With the up most respect, Chris

[90th Light]

Bringing this one to the top to show someone who asked about the ribbed lining material,

Chris