Narvik Luftwaffe mint

[frankscholz]

Hello ,

today arrived.

it is a early Deumer cupal?

All opinion welcome.

Thanks

Frank

[frankscholz]

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[kraut72]

Hi.

This shied unknown maker not early Deumer,but cupal.

[Tim B.]

I still have reservations on this particular style Narvik. I owned a mint conditioned Heer version several years ago and returned it after Detlev Niemann shown the exact same style in his "Copy of the Week".

There are old threads relating to it if you care to search. I know many consider it an original style.

Tim

[hlynur76]

I rember that type Tim. Here is the shield from DN fake files.
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[kefru177]

Originally Posted by hlynur76

I rember that type Tim. Here is the shield from DN fake files.
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Look at the stratch on the bottom right of the shield, is the same shield at in the DN fake files ?

[Pascal H.]

I agree with Tim that the opinions on this type of shield differs. Mainly because of Detlev's Copy of the Week in which he announced that this type was a copy

We all know that Detlev's wasn't very great with shields and he also sometimes changed his mind.

This was also the case with this type of shield as this Expertise shows.

Kr
Pascal

[kraut72]

Niemann was like that than the weathercock,from where the wind blew....


an other example

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[Tim B.]

Well, to be honest, Detlev did get it correct most of the time so I am not about to start bad mouthing him at this point. He did sometime make mistakes and even I returned items but, I don't follow the blowing in the wind mindset.

Truth is, I had reservations on the shield as soon as I got it in hand and spelled it out in a couple of threads. His "copy of the week" just so happened shortly after I received the piece from C. Baldes back then. I had other dealers look at it and they didn't care for it either at the time, though much has come to light since those early days.

Here's a couple of old threads on it but, I don't care to go through 30+ pages searching anymore to find all that was eventually said.

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ghlight=narvik

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...ghlight=narvik

I do believe the "style" of shield to be authentic but, I also believe some of these pristine examples are in fact copies of originals. Just too many concerns for me to own one until we have more substantiated proof on them. Best I can do for now, sorry.

Tim

[Tim B.]

Here's an old PIC of the one I had. The scratch may be there on this one but the PIC is not high enough resolution to really say. I think I see it but it's less pronounced.

The details are still pretty flat IMO.

Tim

[Tim B.]

The layering on the edges bothers me and after seeing the "copy", along with other concerns, I returned it. I know at one time, Mike Huer had a similar Luft example.

Either way, I just do not feel 100% on these particular versions until we lock more information down one way or the other.

Tim

[Pascal H.]

Thanks Tim for your well respected opinion and great pictures.
Please let there be no misunderstanding about Detlev. The last thing I want to do is to bad mouthing Detlev. At the time he was for me the best dealer in the world and I spend a great amount of money at his place.
I even visited him at Hamburg and he was always very polite and correct to me.

Kr
Pascal

[hlynur76]

Originally Posted by Tim B.

The layering on the edges bothers me and after seeing the "copy", along with other concerns, I returned it. I know at one time, Mike Huer had a similar Luft example.

Either way, I just do not feel 100% on these particular versions until we lock more information down one way or the other.

Tim

I forgot to post the edges on that DN copy shield in my post. I guess that layering on the edges had bother him also.

Here it is.
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