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Old 07-14-2008, 01:45 PM   #1
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What is the chevron on H.Himmler's right uniform sleeve represent? I don;t thinks it would be a rank designination...Any ideas? Thanks
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Old 07-14-2008, 02:05 PM   #2
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What is the chevron on H.Himmler's right uniform sleeve represent? I don;t thinks it would be a rank designination...Any ideas? Thanks
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Old 07-14-2008, 02:13 PM   #3
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Peter,
it seems he is...at least to this particular area.

It is the "Alter Kämpfer Winkel" or "Old Fighters Chevron" do a search on that on the forum, there are threads that explain its meaning and who was allowed to wear it.

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Old 07-14-2008, 03:18 PM   #4
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Dear Rocket56,

Although these look like gefreiter chevrons, they, as has been indicated, are not rank chevrons. The SS and I beleive other political organizations had insignia which denoted long term/serving party/organization members. The ones which Himller wear are known as Old Fighter chevrons and indicate that Himmler was a member of the SS before a certain date (1933??). I am not an SS collector so I do not know the specifics. I also recall the NSDAP, for a short time, had patches with dates on them which designated when an individual joined the party.

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Old 07-14-2008, 04:08 PM   #5
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one photo, I think that it is your chevron ...

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The SA wore basically the same thing. The qualifications and regulations were identical for the NSDAP, and I assume the SS as well, with maybe a different background color. The chevron indicated they joined the organization prior to January 1933. The SA replaced this chevron with sleeve stripes, whose configuration indicated the exact year of entry. I'm sure the NSDAP did the same thing, although I'm not sure about the SS. Of course it's entirely possible that Himmler was merely a PFC, and had his chevron on upside down.
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Has anybody ever said it??? Himmler looks like a putz. Which , I believe is a Jesish word, which is somehow, appropriate. He looks like a little mincing something, which I won't say, as I have no intention of offending certain parties, but he is hardly Germanic looking. If he had an unknown identical twin that was applying to join the SS, he would have turned him down, due to his lack of traditional racial Germanic traits, per the SS manuals and standards, as applied by SS and Party physicians!
Hitler's twin wouldn't have cut the mustard either!
Somehow, it's funny, what with the double standard that the Nazis applied to their "Germanic" formula.
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Old 07-15-2008, 12:12 PM   #8
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While Himmler did not have the features that are popularly thought to have been the Nazi ideal, his features were nonetheless Germanic. Despite the talk about blond, blue-eyed beasts, the emphasis was on ancestry. Some areas of Germany are more populated by people with dark hair, and earlier photos of Himmler more exemplify this and other features. Some SS and SS men look more like elves than like supermen in photos, but you wouldn't want to tangle with them in a beer hall. To the person who posted: Did Heydrich put you up to this ?????
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thanks for the information in your replies........................
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Could anyone explain this picture? ( I cut it out of a short movie)

Double chevrons?



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Could anyone explain this picture? ( I cut it out of a short movie)

Double chevrons?
The upper one is the Alte Kämpfer Honor Chevron, the lower one is the duty position insingia for a Stabsscharführer as worn on the black uniform.

On the field-grey Waffen-SS uniforms, this duty position was denoted by two rings of tress around the lower sleeve.
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There was also a chevron for prior membership in the Stahlhelm. It was supposed to be worn on the lower right arm, but is seen incorrectly worn on the lower left arm. I would believe that is what we see in this flagbearer.

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Hello Rocket56,

Welcome to WAC. Keep in mind - The only dumb question is one not asked!
Although some would probably not care to admit it, we all had to learn the answer to your question...
Keep asking questions - it's called learning!!
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The upper one is the Alte Kämpfer Honor Chevron, the lower one is the duty position insingia for a Stabsscharführer as worn on the black uniform.

On the field-grey Waffen-SS uniforms, this duty position was denoted by two rings of tress around the lower sleeve.
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To the person who posted: Did Heydrich put you up to this ?????
That's a good one!
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