Identifying BRD Polizei Visors 1946-1974

[stonemint]

BRD Collectors:

Many TR collectors are fooled by re-badged BRD visors, such as the example below. (Most often, unscrupulous sellers rip out the plastic sweatshield.)

Speaking for myself, I know I am weak in identifying which color pattern (ie, band color and piping color) go with which state. Gordon suggested I start a reference for these pre-1975 visors (which, as I understand it, is when they dropped the chincords--correct me if I am wrong).

Can anyone id the state for this hat?:

[Gordon Craig]

stoenmint,

This looks like an early polizei cap to me. Chin straps were never dropped but there were countless different designs used by the polizei of different states. I am not familiar with this maker. I'll post pictures of a similar visor tomorrow once the light is better.

Regards,

Gordon

ps-are there any airvents in this cap?

[stonemint]

Gordon--

The maker is Friedrich Schweitzer (a legit TR maker that went by the trade name "Helvetia")--pics do not show air vents. But the hat is definately postwar. See this thread:


http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=589777

[stonemint]

Here is another that often gets re-badged (and sometimes re-built) to be a TR Gendarmerie visor. Anyone know what state/city this one represents?:

[Gordon Craig]

stonemint,

Sorry, I guess that I was not clear in my earlier post. When I said it looked like"an early polizei cap" I meant early post was polizei.
The picture of the second cap you posted is very interesting. I've never seen that colour of cap with that colour of piping. No idea who would have worn it.

Regards,

Gordon

[stonemint]

Here is another common re-badging. This is a postwar BRD BGS General's visor (which I would have to believe is quite rare in its own right), rebadged to become a WH Genl visor:

[Simon1988]

Hey folks,

first of all I want to say: Great forum, with such a range

Maybe I can help here:

Originally Posted by stonemint

Here is another that often gets re-badged (and sometimes re-built) to be a TR Gendarmerie visor. Anyone know what state/city this one represents?:

TR Gendarmerie isn't that far you might think. As written in my profile i'm from Germany, exactly from Rhineland-Palatine (Rheinland-Pfalz). In the State of Rhineland-Palatine, the government decided at the beginning of the 1950s to form a special kind of traffic police, to support the local police units on the motorways. You have to know that usual police units in the early 50s in Germany were most time equipped with a Volkswagen Kaefer.

So this special unit got the name "Motorisierte Gendarmerie" (or short Mot. Gendarmerie) like in the pre-war era. For accomplishing their mission they got equipped with e.g. Mercedes-Benz 180 and 220 or Ford Taunus. To separate this traffic patrol from other police units, their cars were painted white with black "POLIZEI" lettering on the hood and trunk. To differentiate the Mot. Gendarmerie officers from the usual ones, they got black trousers instead of the dark green ones, and their Visors and epaulettes were charakterized with orange instead of the green pipings. The black trousers also had an orange piping.

Maybe I can post some pictures of this unit later... By the way I have to say: Respect for this Visor! Even in Germany Mot. Gendarmerie clothing is really rare.

Kind regards Simon

[stonemint]

Originally Posted by Simon1988

Hey folks,

first of all I want to say: Great forum, with such a range

Maybe I can help here:



TR Gendarmerie isn't that far you might think. As written in my profile i'm from Germany, exactly from Rhineland-Palatine (Rheinland-Pfalz). In the State of Rhineland-Palatine, the government decided at the beginning of the 1950s to form a special kind of traffic police, to support the local police units on the motorways. You have to know that usual police units in the early 50s in Germany were most time equipped with a Volkswagen Kaefer.

So this special unit got the name "Motorisierte Gendarmerie" (or short Mot. Gendarmerie) like in the pre-war era. For accomplishing their mission they got equipped with e.g. Mercedes-Benz 180 and 220 or Ford Taunus. To separate this traffic patrol from other police units, their cars were painted white with black "POLIZEI" lettering on the hood and trunk. To differentiate the Mot. Gendarmerie officers from the usual ones, they got black trousers instead of the dark green ones, and their Visors and epaulettes were charakterized with orange instead of the green pipings. The black trousers also had an orange piping.

Maybe I can post some pictures of this unit later... By the way I have to say: Respect for this Visor! Even in Germany Mot. Gendarmerie clothing is really rare.

Kind regards Simon

Thanks for the info--this is the kind of information I was seeking when I started this thread--I look forward to the pics....