1960 Berlin Polizei Sumpftarn uniform

[Collectinsteve]

Hi all,

Here are pictures of the 1960 dated Berlin Polizei Sumpftarn jacket. I will have to post pictures of the trousers later when I have some time. These pics are from the sellers of two different jackets I've had in my possession (I've had 3 jackets and 1 trousers over the years).

The three examples I have were all made in 1960, plus a couple pics off of eBay of ones I didn't buy are also from 1960. There were at least two different contractors and several different months of production.

Enjoy!

Steve

[Gordon Craig]

Steve,

I don't know how I missed this post last month or I would have commented on it. I've never seen this camo marked to P.P. Berlin before. You've blown me away with this thread! There appear to be some differences between it and the BW Heer model. For one, I don't see any D rings over the breast pockets. Could you point out any other differences between the two camo uniforms and if you could list the makers of the P.P. Berlin marked stuff I'd really be gratefull.

Regards,

Gordon

[Collectinsteve]

Hi Gordon!

Yes, most people just assume this is a 2nd Model BGS field jacket. But the camouflage printing is not the same as BGS, though only subtly. The colors used for the rain strokes is distinctly different while the green and rust brown are a little different. The cloth is also different.

As for a comparison with a BW Splittertarn jacket... it's really not similar to it as it was a progression from 1st Model BGS field jacket. Both are almost the same as the common 3rd Model BGS field jacket, which is the one with the arm pocket and no provision for a hood.

The primary difference in construction of the Berlin Polizei Sumpftarn jacket and trousers from that of BGS is very subtle. The buttons are different, for one. Berlin used black disk buttons and small gray buttons. BGS used gray buttons throughout. The tailoring of the trousers is a little different, but I forget exactly what those differences are. VERY minor, for sure.

This is one of those rare instances where pictures don't really show the differences all that well, but if you have both in your hands at once it's obvious that they aren't the same even without detailed examination. For years I had one of these I just thought it was due to contractor differences, then I came to understand what the stamps meant!

I'll try and get some time this week to do a better comparison and to take some pics of the Berlin trousers.

Steve

[Collectinsteve]

Hmmm... I just realized I'm batting around my self made uniform designations like they are standards that everybody uses! Sorry... I do that sometimes

Here is a quick overview of the 5 known BGS Sumpftarn smock/jacket types using the terminology I came up with:

1st Model Smock


2nd Model Smock


1st Model Jacket


2nd Model Jacket (sorry... this is a Polizei one as I don't have a pic of my BGS one online at the moment)


3rd Model Jacket (early badging)


3th Model Jacket (late badging)

[Gordon Craig]

Steve,

Thanks for the comments and the fotos. BGS camo is not something that I have studied so what is posted on it very much of interest to me. Looking forward to you next posts and differences between the BGS uniforms and the P.P.Brln ones.

Regards,

Gordon

[SCHUPO]

Very interesting... Thanks for posting this. I have not seen this before either.