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pzo 10-28-2019 12:37 PM

MG34 gunner's pouch. 1936 dated.
 
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I consider it very early example of MG34 equipment. It has added some holder for gauge and piece of wood on the bottom. Please watch rivets. They are made of copper! I wonder if those 2 additions are original, from the point the pouch has been made or added later? They rather look like later addition, but when? Maker is well known Otto Koberstein from Landsberg.

me6_130 10-28-2019 01:24 PM

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This gunner pouch is correct for early MG34s, as the bolt clip is centered. The wooden block can be found in both variations for late MG13 and early MG34 till about 1938. This is because early pouches would have a square oiler model, just as those for MG15. I would think the caliper gauge case brackets would be later added, as it is not standard in all gunner pouches, and your pouch has also had the metal pocket modified to accept MG42 AA sight. I can't see copper rivets but aluminium for the two brackets. The rest are too dirty for me to guess what they are made of.

See the difference between an late MG13 pouch, an early MG34 pouch and a later MG34/42 pouch:

Carles

timg 10-28-2019 02:39 PM

Hi PZ / Carles,

Nice item PZ , a rare survivor considering it has most all of its component parts fully attached. Careful with that top flap separation. Nicely marked as well. As I recall the same manufacturer for the Zufuhertasche.

As always Carles, good set of comparison pictures showing the differences.

I have one query however, I thought the leather pocket on the inside top of the pouch was for a calibre cylinder? So why the spring jaws in the lid for a calibre cylinder...........or am I being a dunce :11doh: and missing a trick.

Regards

Tim

timg 10-28-2019 02:58 PM

Ok..........I mixed the pictures up.........dunce it is :banghead:

Age methinks creepeth up on me!

Regards

Tim

pzo 10-28-2019 03:30 PM

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Originally Posted by me6_130 (Post 8563271)
This gunner pouch is correct for early MG34s, as the bolt clip is centered. The wooden block can be found in both variations for late MG13 and early MG34 till about 1938. This is because early pouches would have a square oiler model, just as those for MG15. I would think the caliper gauge case brackets would be later added, as it is not standard in all gunner pouches, and your pouch has also had the metal pocket modified to accept MG42 AA sight. I can't see copper rivets but aluminium for the two brackets. The rest are too dirty for me to guess what they are made of.

See the difference between an late MG13 pouch, an early MG34 pouch and a later MG34/42 pouch:

Carles

Thank You Carles for Your expertise and very good picture of MG13 pouch! I attach pictures of square oiler. Is it the one that You mentioned? Metal pocket in my pouch has not been modified to accomodate MG42 AA sight. It is slightly bent and depressed so it may look like it was. There is no way to put there MG42 AA sight. I have cleaned rivets so now it can be clearly seen what they are made of.

me6_130 10-29-2019 01:53 PM

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Hello J.

Here is a pic of the standard early oiler for late MG13 and early MG34 gunner pouch. It is the model seen in MG15 kits. It is previous to the round oiler. When this later was introduced, the wooden block was no longer inserted in MG34 gunner pouches and production of MG13 was stopped. As I mentioned before, that would have taken place between 1938-39.

See this link:

http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...d.php?t=493134



If the rivets on your pouch are not aluminium...I'm not sure the are original, as early pouches have aluminium ones. Perhaps some maker had some older stock of rivets or perhaps the pouch was refurbished in some moment, I don't know. Brass and copper rivets can be found on some Weimar era items.

Tim,

The small leather pocket can only be found in MG13 version pouch, and is for the MG13 little piece that goes in the trigger group. I don't know if the right name is trigger shear...See pics.:uhoh2:

Carles

pzo 10-29-2019 04:45 PM

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Carles, Many thanks for another lesson and great pictures. There were some makers who still used copper and brass in 1936. I have no doubts that copper rivets in my pouch are original. Maybe those makers with name Otto used copper and brass?!:laugh::king::peace: Please pay attention to early Lafette part it is not welded but soldered with brass:Eeeeeek: Is Your oiler also made of copper?

me6_130 10-30-2019 12:32 PM

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Hello J.

Yes, the oiler is also brass.
I now recall I had (and sold) a Karabinertragevorrichtung (rifle carrier) produced in 1935 with brass/copper rivets and stud. And NO, maker was not called Otto :laugh: but Koch & Benning See some pics.

Carles

pzo 10-30-2019 12:45 PM

Carles,
Do not be so sure about them not being Otto. Impressed on leather are just their surenames. I bet that both of them used name Otto!:glasses::laugh:thumbsup Not many early things survived so copper/brass parts of equipment are rather unknown among collectors and consequently dubious.

me6_130 11-01-2019 05:53 AM

Hello J.

I don't know if it is the same Koch...but this one IS called Otto.

https://www.herold.at/gelbe-seiten/s...wZ3/koch-otto/


Carles

pzo 11-01-2019 06:51 AM

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Hello J.

I don't know if it is the same Koch...but this one IS called Otto.

https://www.herold.at/gelbe-seiten/s...wZ3/koch-otto/


Carles

I was joking! Otto Koberstein, Otto Sindel and now Otto Koch:Eeeeeek: It must be pure coincidencethumbsup:1sweat: Anyway a bit strange.

Jeff V 11-04-2019 10:23 AM

No problem with those rivets pzo. Totally original IMO.

pzo 01-18-2020 03:01 PM

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I have got an early brass oiler for my early MG34 gunner's pouch.:hat: There is a "1" impressed and an "A" scratched in place where the oiling arm folds.

me6_130 01-19-2020 06:42 AM

Congrats! I need 2 more, as I have 2 models of MG13 pouch and 1 early MG34 pouch, and I've only got 1 of those.

Carles


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