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tinmantis 10-17-2008 01:37 PM

list of spange-makers
 
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Hi
I'm asked this question many times, so I really should finally write it in a thread so I can refer inquiring members to it (instead of regularly typing it in PMs!)

I must stress that this is my OWN list.
Not in any books, and is a result of my own research. Question marks indicate more research needed.

IMO these are the ONLY existing authentic spangen

But please try to add to it, or discredit it :tongueout:


EK1..................

early style:
unmarked possibly Juncker
unmarked possibly Boerger (+screwback)
unmarked possibly Maybauer
unmarked 'intermediate' (+screwback) possibly Maybauer?

second style:
L/10? (only seen the box)
L/11 (+screwback) (+L/11 marked 800?) (+'no-viens' die?)
L/12? (+screwback)
L/13
L/15 (+screwback)
L/16
L/17 (same die as L/13)
L/18 ('no-viens' + 'long-viens' / 'short viens' dies)
L/53
L/56
unmarked unknown #1


EK2.....................

early style:
unmarked possibly Juncker ('fat vien'? + 'thin vien' dies)
unmarked possibly Boerger (swirly die, tail feather die, extra feather die, viened die. see:http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...8&postcount=86)
unmarked possibly Maybauer
unmarked 'intermediate' possibly Maybauer?

second style:

prinzen:
unmarked possibly Deumer
unmarked possibly S+L?
unmarked unknown #1
unmarked possibly L/15?

full size:
L/11
L/12? ('full vien' + 'half viened' dies)
L/13 ('segment claw' + 'smooth claw' dies) (+loops)
L/15 (2 different date dies)
L/16
L/17 (same die as L/13)
L/18 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
L/53 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
L/56 (same as 'segment claw' L/13?)(+'no-viens' L/56 mm'd die?)
L/57
unmarked Ziemer&Sohne (a.k.a: BigEye) ('no neck-vien' + 'neck-vien' die)
unmarked J.E. Hammer & Sohne (a.k.a: 55)

regards
jon

jt327gir 10-17-2008 02:04 PM

This is a nice reference to have. Perhaps someone with administrative abilities on this website could make it into a "pinned" thread so all can easily find it?



Quote:

Originally Posted by tinmantis (Post 2889283)
Hi
I'm asked this question many times, so I really should finally write it in a thread so I can refer inquiring members to it (instead of regularly typing it in PMs!)

I must stress that this is my OWN list.
Not in any books, and is a result of my own research. Question marks indicate more research needed.

IMO these are the ONLY existing authentic spangen

But please try to add to it, or discredit it :tongueout:


EK1..................

early style:
unmarked possibly Juncker
unmarked possibly Boerger (+screwback)
unmarked possibly Maybauer
unmarked 'intermediate' (+screwback)

second style:
L/10? (only seen the box)
L/11 (+screwback) (+L/11 marked 800?)
L/12 (+screwback)
L/13
L/15 (+screwback)
L/16
L/17 (same die as L/13)
L/18 ('no-viens' + 'long-viens' / 'short viens' dies)
L/56
unmarked unknown #1


EK2.....................

early style:
unmarked possibly Juncker
unmarked possibly Boerger
unmarked possibly Deumer
unmarked 'intermediate'

second style:

prinzen:
unmarked possibly Deumer
unmarked unknown #1
unmarked unknown #2

full size:
L/11
L/12? ('fat vien' + 'thin vien' dies)
L/13 ('segment claw' + 'smooth claw' dies) (+loops)
L/14?
L/15 (+ '2prong' die)
L/16
L/17 (same die as L/13)
L/18 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
L/53 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
L/56 (+'no-viens' die?)
L/57
unmarked Ziemer&Sohne (a.k.a: BigEye)
unmarked J.E. Hammer & Sohne (a.k.a: 55)

regards
jon


tinmantis 10-17-2008 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jt327gir (Post 2889329)
Perhaps someone with administrative abilities on this website could make it into a "pinned" thread so all can easily find it?

I can but only dream of the Honor of The Pin...

regards
jon

Robert P. 10-17-2008 11:10 PM

THANK YOU, jon! thumbsup

Robert

Flemming 10-18-2008 12:47 AM

Hi Jon

Really great work thumbsup

Now you start working on a book about the Spange...please :)

/Flemming

CMSgt 10-18-2008 04:30 AM

Spange
 
Jon,

Thank you for your work. This will really help those of us who collect the Spanges. Jim

tinmantis 10-16-2009 01:16 PM

Hi, I used to just edit this post when minor additions were known
but the edit option doesn't work anymore, so I've 'replied' instead...
just to keep this post updated for reference thumbsup


EK1..................

early style:
unmarked possibly Juncker
unmarked possibly Boerger (+screwback)
unmarked possibly Maybauer

unmarked 'intermediate' (+screwback) possibly Maybauer?

second style:
L/10? (only seen the box)
L/11 (+screwback) (+L/11 marked 800?) (+'no-viens' die?)
L/12 (+screwback)
L/13
L/15 (+screwback)
L/16
L/17 (same die as L/13)
L/18 ('no-viens' + 'long-viens' / 'short viens' dies)
L/54? (resembles L/53 EK2spangen?)
L/56
unmarked unknown #1


EK2.....................

early style:
unmarked possibly Juncker ('fat vien'? + 'thin vien' dies)
unmarked possibly Boerger (swirly die, tail feather die, extra feather die, viened die. see:http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...8&postcount=86)
unmarked possibly Maybauer
unmarked 'intermediate' possibly Maybauer?

second style:

prinzen:
unmarked possibly Deumer
unmarked possibly S+L?
unmarked unknown #1
unmarked possibly L/15?

full size:
L/11
L/12 ('full vien' + 'half viened' dies)
L/13 ('segment claw' + 'smooth claw' dies) (+loops)
L/15 (2 different date dies)
L/16
L/17 (same die as L/13)
L/18 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
L/53 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
L/56 (same as 'segment claw' L/13?)(+'no-viens' L/56 mm'd die?)
L/57
unmarked Ziemer&Sohne (a.k.a: BigEye) ('no neck-vien' + 'neck-vien' die)
unmarked J.E. Hammer & Sohne (a.k.a: 55)

unmarked L/52 Zimmerman (planchet recovered from Zimmerman 'burnt horde')

regards
jon

tinmantis 03-03-2010 01:15 PM

another update:

EK1..................

early style:
unmarked possibly Juncker
unmarked possibly Boerger (+screwback)
unmarked possibly Maybauer

unmarked 'intermediate' (+screwback) possibly Maybauer or Petz+Lorenz?

second style:
L/10? (only seen the box)
L/11 (+screwback) (+L/11 marked 800?) (+'no-viens' die)
L/12 (+screwback)
L/13
L/15 (+screwback)
L/16
L/17 (same die as L/13)
L/18 ('no-viens' + 'long-viens' / 'short viens' dies)
L/54? (resembles L/53 EK2spangen?)
L/56
unmarked unknown #1 (TheUnknownMaker) possibly L/57?
see: http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...n+Maker+Spange

EK1SpangenEK1 COMBOS:
early Juncker
intermediate?
L/11
L/16 (+screwback)
L/18 (and screwback)
L/52?
numerous Jeweller joined creations


EK2.....................

early style:
unmarked possibly Juncker ('fat vien'? + 'thin vien' dies)
unmarked possibly Boerger (swirly die, tail feather die, extra feather die, viened die.
see:http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...8&postcount=86)
unmarked possibly Maybauer
unmarked 'intermediate' possibly Maybauer?

second style:

prinzen:
unmarked possibly Deumer
unmarked possibly S+L?
unmarked unknown #1
unmarked possibly L/15?

full size:
L/11
L/12 ('full vien' + 'half viened' dies)
L/13 ('segment claw' + 'smooth claw' dies) (+loops)
L/15 (2 different date dies)
L/16
L/17 (same die as L/13)
L/18 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
L/53 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
L/56 (same as 'segment claw' L/13?)(+'no-viens' L/56 mm'd die?)
L/57
L/59? (only seen the box)
unmarked Ziemer&Sohne (a.k.a: BigEye) ('no neck-vien' + 'neck-vien' die)
unmarked J.E. Hammer & Sohne (a.k.a: 55)

unmarked L/52 Zimmerman (planchet recovered from Zimmerman 'burnt horde')

regards
jon

Wim Vangossum 03-03-2010 01:24 PM

Awesome overview. Thanks for sharing this work!

Regards, Wim

tinmantis 03-03-2010 07:21 PM

another update:

EK1..................

early style:
unmarked possibly Juncker
unmarked possibly Boerger (+screwback)
unmarked possibly Maybauer

unmarked 'intermediate' (+screwback) possibly Maybauer or Petz+Lorenz?

second style:
L/10? (only seen the box)
L/11 (+screwback) (+L/11 marked 800?) (+'no-viens' die)
L/12 (+screwback)
L/13
L/15 (+screwback)
L/16
L/17 (same die as L/13)
L/18 ('no-viens' + 'long-viens' / 'short viens' dies)
L/54? (resembles L/53 EK2spangen?)
L/56
unmarked unknown #1 (TheUnknownMaker) possibly L/57?
see: http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...n+Maker+Spange

EK1SpangenEK1 COMBOS:
early Juncker
intermediate?
L/11
L/16 (+screwback)
L/18 (and screwback)
L/52?
numerous Jeweller joined creations


EK2.....................

early style:
unmarked possibly Juncker ('fat vien'? + 'thin vien' dies)
unmarked possibly Boerger (swirly die, tail feather die, extra feather die, viened die.
see:http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...8&postcount=86)
unmarked possibly Maybauer
unmarked 'intermediate' possibly Maybauer?

second style:

prinzen:
unmarked possibly Deumer
unmarked possibly S+L?
unmarked unknown #1
unmarked possibly L/15?

full size:
L/11
L/12 ('full vien' + 'half viened' dies)
L/13 ('segment claw' + 'smooth claw' dies) (+loops)
L/15 (2 different date dies)
L/16
L/17 (same die as L/13)
L/18 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
L/53 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
L/56 (same as 'segment claw' L/13?)(+'no-viens' L/56 mm'd die)
L/57
L/59? (only seen the box)
unmarked Ziemer&Sohne (a.k.a: BigEye) ('no neck-vien' + 'neck-vien' die)
unmarked J.E. Hammer & Sohne (a.k.a: 55)

unmarked L/52 Zimmerman (planchet recovered from Zimmerman 'burnt horde')

regards
jon

Wik 03-03-2010 09:17 PM

Great information Jon!

I guess I never really realized until I read this post, no Spange were ever marked with the Prasidialkanzlei numbers...never really put 2 and 2 together on that. Very cool. Thanks for sharing!


Ryan

George Stimson 03-03-2010 09:33 PM

Pinned it is!

streptile 03-03-2010 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tinmantis (Post 2889804)
I can but only dream of the Honor of The Pin...
regards
jon

It seems dreams can come true on the WAF :peace: .

tinmantis 03-05-2010 08:24 PM

:eek:
pinned at last!

another update:
EK1..................

early style:
unmarked possibly Juncker
unmarked possibly Boerger (+screwback)
unmarked possibly Maybauer

unmarked 'intermediate' (+screwback) possibly Maybauer or Petz+Lorenz?

second style:
L/10? (only seen the box)
L/11 (+screwback) (+L/11 marked 800?) (+'no-viens' die)
L/12 (+screwback)
L/13
L/15 (+screwback)
L/16
L/17 (same die as L/13)
L/18 ('no-viens' + 'long-viens' / 'short viens' dies)
L/54? (resembles L/53 EK2spangen? so much so I believe this is from maker L/53. there is a pinback and screwback version)
L/56
unmarked unknown #1 (TheUnknownMaker) possibly L/57?
see: http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...n+Maker+Spange

EK1SpangenEK1 COMBOS:
early Juncker
intermediate?
L/11
L/16 (+screwback)
L/18 (and screwback)
L/52?
numerous Jeweller joined creations


EK2.....................

early style:
unmarked possibly Juncker ('fat vien'? + 'thin vien' dies)
unmarked possibly Boerger (swirly die, tail feather die, extra feather die, viened die.
see:http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...8&postcount=86)
unmarked possibly Maybauer
unmarked 'intermediate' possibly Maybauer?

second style:

prinzen:
unmarked possibly Deumer
unmarked possibly S+L?
unmarked unknown #1
unmarked possibly L/15?

full size:
L/11
L/12 ('full vien' + 'half viened' dies)
L/13 ('segment claw' + 'smooth claw' dies) (+loops)
L/15 (2 different date dies)
L/16
L/17 (same die as L/13)
L/18 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
L/53 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
L/56 (same as 'segment claw' L/13?)(+'no-viens' L/56 mm'd die)
L/57
L/59? (only seen the box)
unmarked Ziemer&Sohne (a.k.a: BigEye) ('no neck-vien' + 'neck-vien' die)
unmarked J.E. Hammer & Sohne (a.k.a: 55)

unmarked L/52 Zimmerman (planchet recovered from Zimmerman 'burnt horde')

regards
jon

tinmantis 05-05-2010 12:58 PM

another update:
EK1..................

early style:
unmarked possibly Juncker
unmarked possibly Boerger (+screwback)
unmarked possibly Maybauer

unmarked 'intermediate' (+screwback) possibly Maybauer or Petz+Lorenz?

second style:
L/10? (only seen the box)
L/11 (+screwback) (+L/11 marked 800?) (+'no-viens' die)
L/12 (+screwback)
L/13
L/15 (+screwback)
L/16
L/17 (same die as L/13)
L/18 ('no-viens' + 'long-viens' / 'short viens' dies)
L/52 (marked 900)
L/54? (resembles L/53 EK2spangen? so much so I believe this is from maker L/53. there is a pinback and screwback version)
L/56
unmarked unknown #1 (TheUnknownMaker) possibly L/57?
see: http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...n+Maker+Spange

EK1SpangenEK1 COMBOS:
early Juncker
intermediate?
L/11
L/16 (+screwback)
L/18 (and screwback)
numerous Jeweller joined creations, including examples put together (private commisions?) by L/12, L/52, and maybe more


EK2.....................

early style:
unmarked possibly Juncker ('fat vien'? + 'thin vien' dies)
unmarked possibly Boerger (swirly die, tail feather die, extra feather die, viened die.
see:http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/foru...8&postcount=86)
unmarked possibly Maybauer
unmarked 'intermediate' possibly Maybauer?

second style:

prinzen:
unmarked possibly Deumer
unmarked possibly S+L?
unmarked unknown #1
unmarked possibly L/15?

full size:
L/11
L/12 ('full vien' + 'half viened' dies)
L/13 ('segment claw' + 'smooth claw' dies) (+loops)
L/15 (2 different date dies)
L/16
L/17 (same die as L/13)
L/18 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
L/53 ('no-viens' + 'viens' die)
L/56 (same as 'segment claw' L/13?)(+'no-viens' L/56 mm'd die)
L/57 (+marked 800)
L/59? (only seen the box)
unmarked Ziemer&Sohne (a.k.a: BigEye) ('no neck-vien' + 'neck-vien' die)
unmarked J.E. Hammer & Sohne (a.k.a: 55)
unmarked L/52 Zimmerman (planchet recovered from Zimmerman 'burnt horde')

regards
jon


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