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jabara 12-01-2013 05:38 AM

This uniform existed. Panzer granadier camuflague wrap
 
http://www.dragon-models.com/d-m-item.asp?pid=DRF70585

Hello friends.
I'm trying to make a uniform charter from assault cannon / tank during the Battle of Normandy (Whermacht) and I wonder if this even existed. I doubt that in recent times there is much "imagination".
Be obliged any help, recommendation or suggestion.
Forgive my English.
regards

Schulterklappen 12-01-2013 07:50 AM

Oblt. Ludwig
 
There is a Foto in the Brian Davis book, on Heer Uniforms, of a StuG RKT, Oblt. Ludwig I believe, and he is wearing a Splittertarn wrapper. I think, it being summer, most of the Heer camo used was not Sumpftarn. You might search some of the Panzer Lehr threads on this forum and see more heer Normandie worn camo.



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Originally Posted by jabara (Post 6173042)
http://www.dragon-models.com/d-m-item.asp?pid=DRF70585

Hello friends.
I'm trying to make a uniform charter from assault cannon / tank during the Battle of Normandy (Whermacht) and I wonder if this even existed. I doubt that in recent times there is much "imagination".
Be obliged any help, recommendation or suggestion.
Forgive my English.
regards


Schulterklappen 12-01-2013 07:57 AM

Oberleutnant Franz Ludwig
 
He was Oberleutnant Franz Ludwig of StuG Abt. 1346. Here are some Fotos:

https://www.google.com/search?q=Ober...w=1306&bih=733


I can't tell, maybe his wrapper is made from Italian camo material?

afrikasandman 12-01-2013 03:39 PM

splinter camo yes and defiantly Italian camo material was used but never seen one in a marsh camo. Matt

OSS 12-01-2013 03:46 PM

The jacket worn by Ludwig was standard mouse-gray issue I believe with shadows creating the appearance of a cammo pattern.

OSS 12-01-2013 04:09 PM

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Perhaps this is what you had in mind:

derka 12-01-2013 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by OSS (Post 6174109)
The jacket worn by Ludwig was standard mouse-gray issue I believe with shadows creating the appearance of a cammo pattern.

Yes, Ludwig did not wear a camouflaged wrap :

http://i40.tinypic.com/2qb8ys2.jpg

http://i40.tinypic.com/2ur8j5t.jpg

derka 12-01-2013 04:43 PM

I haven't seen yet on a period pic a complete camouflaged (either splinter, tan water or even italian) uniform with the same cut than the regualar Drillichschutzanzug für Panzertruppen.

The Dragon production uniform is fantaisy imo, but in another hand, i have learn to never say never with field made camo uniforms...

Field made splinter camo wraps, with a cut close to standart wool wraps but without chest pocket, are seldomly observed :

http://i40.tinypic.com/1zn08z4.jpg

Sometimes in places you would not expect to see some :

http://i42.tinypic.com/n4ce2o.jpg

And of course, use of italian camouflage for field made wraps :

http://i40.tinypic.com/1zcoebk.jpg

Field made trousers with this camo and a large external flaped pocket applied on left leg are not uncommon, but not similar to the "true" panzer cut.
derka

OSS 12-01-2013 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by derka (Post 6174196)

The Dragon production uniform is fantasy imo

Dragon is probably running out of ideas for new subjects. There were reproduction HBT sets made 10-15 yrs ago in the "Sumpf" pattern with insignia and markings for the Hermann Goering Division which found their way into at least one reference book. This may be where they got this idea for this "fantasy" uniform.

jabara 12-02-2013 04:48 AM

Thanks for the help. Have seen a very great knowledge.
For recreation maybe even pick 2 WH panzer div. I doubt if the WH also used the Italian camo.
regards
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/4540/20yu.jpg
http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/1230/hz2.gif

Panzer Meyer 03-12-2014 03:30 PM

Jabara, which Osprey book did that illustration come from? Thanks.

Winterdan 03-14-2014 11:36 AM

That illustration was in Men At Arms No.336 The German Army 1939-45 (5) Western Front 1943-45.

Winterdan.

Scott A. Hess 03-14-2014 01:46 PM

The sumpftarn/marsch pattern jackets/pants one sees at the show made out of hbt are bad...MAYBE someone wore something made out of sumpftarn, but not hbt, to my knowledge, it never existed.

Oberbootsmann 04-06-2018 04:48 PM

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One from my collection. This postcard-size photo belongs to a huge Feldherrnhalle citation & photo grouping.

It seems that he's also wearing camo pants.

Regards, Matthias

djpool 04-07-2018 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Oberbootsmann (Post 8136046)
One from my collection. This postcard-size photo belongs to a huge Feldherrnhalle citation & photo grouping.

It seems that he's also wearing camo pants.

Regards, Matthias


It looks like its cut like the M44 tunic. Jim


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