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Gary Wood 05-21-2003 07:30 PM

detail of the stamp
cheers,
gary

Michael Kuligowski 05-22-2003 02:44 AM

Great Gary !! Thank You a lot !!
this is first time for me to see SS marked cantee.... actually.. I never believe they existed !!
I have lot to learn
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05-22-2003 05:51 AM

Same for me, Gary, in fact I was told ( and I believed) that the waffen-SS used normal Heer canteens with no special markings, well I learned something new too.
cheers

Jan

Colorado 05-22-2003 06:39 AM

Jan - It is my understanding that Waffen SS used the same canteens as the Wehrmacht. Those shown are early "asphalt soldier" SS canteens, not Waffen SS.

05-22-2003 06:53 AM

Hello Colorado

Could you give some more information about the term ' asphalt soldier':confused:.

Do you mean that these were not issued in combat? How does it comes that the above's are grounddugs?
cheers

Jan

Gary Wood 05-22-2003 06:59 AM

colorado is correct in a way, the ss marked equipment is pre war manufacture, the canteens with the cups would have been used by the SS-VT and SS-TV, these items though did find there way into waffen-ss use although there construction is pre war
cheers,
gary

05-22-2003 07:06 AM

Okay, cleared out, thanks Gary!
So items are indeed pre-war but some made their way to the waffen-ss...and so the majority of ss-soldiers during the conflict had Heer issued canteens.

Like certain pre-war SS-marked messtins ( especially those ww1 style messtins) which could also be found on battlefields?

cheers

Jan

cicero 05-22-2003 09:10 AM

guys
my bottle has the following stampings: c&c.w.36
and the cap : zpstz 39

can someone tell me more about it,especially the markings on the cap?

thanks,glenn

Colorado 05-22-2003 09:39 AM

Hi Jan:

Right, "asphalt soldiers" was a term used by the Wehrmacht as an insult to the earlier SS soldiers that dressed like they were military, but actually did no military training. They were city soldiers "asphalt". When many of these earlier SS soldiers joined Waffen SS units, many took their old equipment with them. Most SS though came in after 1939 and would have used standard military issue.

Great finds as these are very rare!

Cicero: Hopefully, you mean "cup" not "cap". If the cup and bottle are different, then they got switched somewhere in life. Those are the initials for the maker and the year is all. I don't know the makers codes very well. It happened all the time with canteens and messkits as these soldiers were eating in groups and cleaned in groups.

cicero 05-22-2003 11:18 AM

hi colorado
no i mean the cap (the screw cap for closing the bottle) not the cup.
my cup doesn't have markings,only the 1/4 L stamping.

thanks,glenn

Infanteer 06-01-2003 11:12 PM

Enamel canteens
 
It seems that it is common for the enamel canteens to have bakelite caps. I have a red enamel canteen with leather straps and a red enamel cap as well. Does anyone else have this configuration or is this an uncommon variation?

Steve

Jan B 12-06-2003 04:31 PM

more canteens...
 
Here's another one that I got in a few weeks ago. A standard .8 bottle, webbing LUX strap and black bakelite cup dated 1941...

Cheers

Jan

frontview

Jan B 12-06-2003 04:43 PM

backside...

Now, I know that tropical canteens were normally the 'bakelite' types without felt covers and webbing straps, right?
But what about this one?

For Willi : On the first page, replie # 5, you've posted a similar waterbottle as this one ( your cover looks more tan ), saying its a tropical one. Is that a bakelite one with a cover or just an aluminium one? Where is the line between non-tropical and tropical canteens; the straps? the cover? the bottle itself?

Thanks in advance for clearing this out

Cheers

Jan

Mike Steves 12-07-2003 12:07 PM

sku45 canteen
 
I also collect canteens, and this is my favorite one. The cup is brown enameled and doesn't have any handles. Everything is unmarked except the bottle, which is sku 1945 marked. Anyone else have one like this?

www.houston.quik.com/msteves/pics/sku.jpg
www.houston.quik.com/msteves/pics/sku45.jpg

Mike Steves

J Melvin 12-07-2003 02:49 PM

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Hey Mike, nice one. Show that MN45 that I sold you awhile back that the cover doesn't fit on it right. Here are some oddballs of mine. First a sackcloth like Ade posted earlier.


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