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magnusmilitaria 09-29-2013 09:46 AM

Austro Hungarian navy dagger original ?
 
Hello !

I would like to get some opinion about this Austro-hungarian navy dagger model 1918. is this original dagger or ...
Thank you in advance !
Best Regards
Mark

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Rancid66 09-29-2013 10:20 AM

Well known Hungary fake.

Regards
Rancid66

magnusmilitaria 09-29-2013 04:09 PM

Thanks for confirmation !;)
Best Regards
Mark

amiklic1 09-30-2013 10:22 AM

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Usually first sign of the fake is the gold gilded coat of arms on the blade, even if there is a period which has the same, in the museum in Vienna.

Here is the confirmed original, named to a known person:
Sorry for extensive watermarking, but these are top rare and I do not want someone to use it as a reference for fraud or similar.

Just to note that almost similar piece, with different relief instead of anchor/gun barrel was used by river flotilla.

štajerc 06-27-2014 07:40 AM

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Hi guys!
I have this I think it is ok.

štajerc 06-27-2014 07:42 AM

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Schlange 06-27-2014 08:01 AM

Fake.

štajerc 06-27-2014 08:40 AM

ok thanks!

GREAKLY 11-17-2014 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by magnusmilitaria (Post 6077036)
I would like to get some opinion about this Austro-hungarian navy dagger model 1918. is this original dagger or ...

Can somebody clarify what is a M 1918 Austro-Hungarian naval dagger? I thought that from 1852 and till the end Austro-Hungary used the dagger shown by amiklic1. Did they create a new model in the last year of Empire's existence?

amiklic1 11-17-2014 01:21 PM

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M1918 is in fact forst model used by Kongdom of Yugoslavia. They only removed the coat of arms from the blade.
It's similar to this one:

GREAKLY 11-17-2014 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by amiklic1 (Post 6675184)
M1918 is in fact forst model used by Kongdom of Yugoslavia. They only removed the coat of arms from the blade.
It's similar to this one:

Thank you for the picture. When you said "they removed" you meant Yugoslavs? So, the M 1917 (or 1918) Austrian dagger had Austrian or Austro-Hungarian coat of arms on the blade, right?

BTW, the picture you provided is of a second model Kingdom of Serbs, Croats and Slovenes dagger. The first model had Yugoslavian coat of arms on the scabbard:

http://www.eu-militaria.com/?cat=44&lang=en

By any chance, do you have a picture of an actual M 1918 Austrian dagger? Because this one:

http://www.eu-militaria.com/?p=1778&lang=en

looks very much like it.

amiklic1 11-17-2014 02:28 PM

I don't have a photo. Yugoslav and KuK coats of arms are quite different.

I do not have a photo, but it's Austro-Hungarian coat of arms. I am trying to get one which still has it on the blade, but it's not easy. I have located it, and would like to buy but it's rare and the seller does not want to sell, yet.

Coat of arms is like the one on top oof the thread, only etched, not gilded. The guy has one with coat of arms removed, and one with it still present.

I'd love to have it, really, but... No photos, also.

GREAKLY 11-20-2014 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by amiklic1 (Post 6675283)
I don't have a photo. Yugoslav and KuK coats of arms are quite different.

I do not have a photo, but it's Austro-Hungarian coat of arms. I am trying to get one which still has it on the blade, but it's not easy. I have located it, and would like to buy but it's rare and the seller does not want to sell, yet.

Coat of arms is like the one on top oof the thread, only etched, not gilded. The guy has one with coat of arms removed, and one with it still present.

I'd love to have it, really, but... No photos, also.

Let me put the question in a different way. If the type of dagger we discuss has no Austrian (or Austro-Hungarian) coat of arms on the blade but only the Austrian-style anchor (exactly the same like the anchor found on Austrian Naval swords and very similar to the one found on M 1853 Austrian daggers) is such dagger a M 1918 Austrian or a later Serbian/KSCS/Yugoslavian one?

The type of dagger shown in this topic (brass, with two dolphins and knot on the top) with minimal differences has been used at some point by Austrians, Hungarians, Romanians and Serbs/KSCS/Yugoslavs. Which of them was "the original"? I mean, was it Austrian M 1918, which, later, has been copied by all others, or something else? Which country was the first to invent and adopt this type?

GREAKLY 11-25-2014 05:03 PM

amiklic1, any chance you could answer my questions?

amiklic1 11-25-2014 05:38 PM

Sorry, just saw you asked it.

Austro-Hungarian naval model was the first.
Kindom of Yugoslavia used it as an early model, but there were more models of Yugoslav naval daggers.

Anchors were pretty similar.

I can post a pictures of different models, but you can find most details here
http://www.eu-militaria.com/

Best!


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