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ehrentitle 01-19-2010 04:07 PM

East German Parachute Units & Organizations
 
For it's small size the DDR had a suprising number of parachute units and organizations. I don't remember seeing a list of them anywhere so I thought I'd list the ones I know and ask that you add any I've missed.

- 40. Fallschirmjägerbataillon (40th Parachute Battalion) Willi Sänger (was the 5 Fallschirmjägerbataillon and later 40. Luftsturmregiment)

- Spezial- Aufklärungskompanie (SAK) (Special Reconnaissance Companies)

- Volksmarine Kampfschwimmerkommando 18 (KSK-18) (Navy Combat Swimmer Company 18)

- Luftstreitkräfte Fallschirmdienste (Air Force Parachute Service)

- Flug und Fallschirmsportverband der DDR (FFSV) (Federation for Aerial and Parachute Sports)

- Gesellschaft für Sport und Technik (GST) Fallschirmspringen (Society for Sports and Technology Sports/Freefall Parachuting)

- Stasi clandestine parachute units?

- Police parachute or anti-terrorist units?

Kozlov 01-20-2010 04:28 AM

Slightly connected and still "airborne" did the NVA have a designated unit or units for its air assault component or were they just using normal infantry units for the role?

The Soviets had air assault units - the DShB. From a collectors point of view they are interesting as there were several pieces of specialist kit they had plus they also wore the blue beret of the "sky troops". Wonder if the NVA had anything similar kit or insignia wise?

I do know that the NVA was into the air assault idea and was equipped with the lift capability for it in the late 70's.

ehrentitle 01-20-2010 06:11 AM

The 40. Luftsturmregiment was an Air Assault unit based on the Soviet model. It was formed from the 40. Fallschirmjägerbataillon in 1986. But there was no change in insignia.

delta576 01-20-2010 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by ehrentitle (Post 3771317)
For it's small size the DDR had a suprising number of parachute units and organizations. I don't remember seeing a list of them anywhere so I thought I'd list the ones I know and ask that you add any I've missed.


- Stasi clandestine parachute units?

....these clandestine Units were the Recon-forces of the WachRgt "Feliks Dzierzynski" later small units of the HA XXII (Anti-Terror-unit of the MfS)


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Originally Posted by ehrentitle (Post 3771317)
- Police parachute or anti-terrorist units?

......No!!!

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- another unit was the Fernaufklärer of the army recon bataillons

Greeting René

SCHUPO 01-20-2010 08:39 PM

Rene,

Yes, the police did in fact wear the paratroop uniforms. Somewhere on the forum are photos of the VP wearing this gear as anti-terrorist (SWAT) type units. The raindrop pattern jump uniforms also exist with MdI markings.

ehrentitle 01-20-2010 10:01 PM

René & Schupo, Thanks much for your comments. I do have an MdI marked para uniform, with a MdI marked winter liner.

delta576 01-21-2010 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by SCHUPO (Post 3774154)
Rene,

Yes, the police did in fact wear the paratroop uniforms. Somewhere on the forum are photos of the VP wearing this gear as anti-terrorist (SWAT) type units. The raindrop pattern jump uniforms also exist with MdI markings.


Yes, they wore paratroop uniform, but they were not jumping units. These kind of police troops were the service unit IX (DE IX) of the districts.

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The first jumping units of the east german army were the "non structural recon groups" of the III. & V. military districts.

Greeting René

Bob Hritz 01-21-2010 10:54 AM

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I have had this tunic for many years. Is there any way to get further information on the former owner or unit?

Bob Hritz

SirHarry1 01-21-2010 12:14 PM

Para majors uniform
 
Bob, I am afraid the former owner of this uniform was the quartermaster store of the East German army. I have seen so many uniforms for para officers, especially field grade officers, on the market - if they had all been worn the NVA must have had 50 para regiments and not just one. As with all other uniforms, they were mass produced for eternity and many blank jackets have been converted into para outfits to get a higher price. Of course, it is possible that yours is a worn piece, but not very likely.

On the MdI markings in this thread: I once bought the complete kit of an ex-east german paratrooper sgt, and all his bdu´s were marked MdI for no obvious reason, even he could not explain why this was so. The dress uniform was properly marked NVA.

Best

Harry

Bob Hritz 01-21-2010 12:25 PM

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That is dissapointing, Harry. I thank you for the information.

Here are the markings inside the tunic.

Bob Hritz

Gordon Craig 01-21-2010 03:23 PM

Bob,

The markings will add a little to your knowledge. NVA is obvious. M48/1 is the size. C/1 indicates the tunic was made in the first quarter of 1983.

Regards,

Gordon

Bob Hritz 01-21-2010 04:04 PM

Thank you, Gordon.

Bob Hritz

ehrentitle 01-22-2010 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by SirHarry1 (Post 3775349)
Bob, I am afraid the former owner of this uniform was the quartermaster store of the East German army. I have seen so many uniforms for para officers, especially field grade officers, on the market - if they had all been worn the NVA must have had 50 para regiments and not just one. As with all other uniforms, they were mass produced for eternity and many blank jackets have been converted into para outfits to get a higher price. Of course, it is possible that yours is a worn piece, but not very likely.

On the MdI markings in this thread: I once bought the complete kit of an ex-east german paratrooper sgt, and all his bdu´s were marked MdI for no obvious reason, even he could not explain why this was so. The dress uniform was properly marked NVA.

Best

Harry

Sadly Harry is right. There was so much original late issue material available after reunification that it was easy to put together a fallschirmjäger uniform with any rank or combination of ribbons and badge. One way to check to see if it was originally an unissued fallschirmjäger jacket is to check the collar tabs to make sure they were the only ones that had been sewn on the uniform.

Bob Hritz 01-22-2010 11:30 AM

No other collar tabs have ever been on the tunic. I bought it with a pile of East German material, many years ago, when this stuff was flooding the US. I got rid of the other tunics and only kept this because I liked the insignia. It has the dress belt and buckle and dagger. Several collectors battled over the beret that came with it. Perhaps that had been a good piece. It is no financial loss, but I am sad that this has been determined not to be an original uniform as worn by a former soldier. I don't understand why it cannot be original, but I know that once an item is poo-pood, it is no longer of any value or interest.

Bob Hritz

ehrentitle 01-22-2010 11:50 AM

Bob - That's not quite true. It's most likely an original unissued fallschirmjäger uniform where the metal insignia and rank has been added post unification. It still has very good value as there are a number of collectors are eager to get an example of an NVA fallschirmjäger officer's uniform for their collection regardless of if it's been issued or not.

Also the daggers are much sought after and command premium prices on e-bay.


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